ships, Ron, etc.

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Kelly wrote: And, yet, somehow, according to your very own post, she 
managed to tell Ron  "several times" that Harry didn't put his name 
into the Goblet.  When , if she  didn't spend any time with him?

One scene in GoF that has always struck me is the scene (in my book 
page 331, I believe) when Hermione and Harry go to Hogsmeade, Harry 
wearing the invisibility cloak, and together they go to the Three 
Broomsticks. Ron is in the 3 Broomsticks already, having a good time 
with Seamus and Dean. There's Hermione, to all intents and purposes 
completely alone, since Harry is invisible, and Ron doesn't even 
bother to come up and say hello to her. <eg> I now realize this 
belongs in the "Ron is oh so much more sensitive to Hermione's 
feelings than Harry" thread, but oh well. (Truth be told, I don't 
think either of them is all that sensitive -- they're teenage boys -- 
not a demographic known for its empathy. But I don't believe Ron is 
more sensitive than Harry.)
To return to the topic at hand, it sounded to me in GoF like Hermione 
tried to tell Ron several times *initially* that Harry didn't put his 
name in the Goblet. It sounded like she then gave up since Ron 
obviously wasn't listening, and chose to spend her time with Harry 
instead.

> 
> Penny again:
> >My perception is that the R/H camp seems quite bent on being sure 
Ron receives *no* criticism of any kind (while liberally dishing it 
out to the other characters I might add).  Is this zero-tolerance 
policy sanctioned by the leadership of the Good Ship R/H?


Kelly: While aboard our ship it is (and on SugarQuill Island).  Just 
curious, where  > do you see this unfair criticism being dished out 
by the R/H crowd?  (SNIP)Anyway, the point is, R/H-ers tend to be 
very  protective of Ron.  He's our guy.  In the past, H/H-ers have 
made some very  anti-Ron statements.  Anyone is, of course, free to 
say whatever they want  about any of the characters.  Just don't 
expect us to like it or agree with  > you.  The SugarQuill is a 
private resort, so to speak; Zsenya and Arabella can  feed heretics 
to the sharks there if they want (OK, so this metaphor is going  a 
little overboard, but you know what I mean!)  The Good Ship R/H is 
happy to   share waters with other ships; just don't come aboard and 
start   Weasley-bashing, because that'll tick us off.  In the 
meantime, I won't go  aboard the SS H/H and start telling you how 
boring I find Harry (I'll just  shout it to you from across the 
waters <g>).  Bottom line is, if you're happy  on your ship, no one's 
forcing you to visit other ones.  But if do go  visiting, be nice and 
follow local custom.:)

But I don't actually think Penny would mind if you did come aboard 
the H/H and announce Harry was boring (which actually I think you 
have, over on the PoU list -- it could be considered an H/H haven, 
since all the listmoms are H/H.) It's your business if you find Harry 
boring (although suffering through a series of books about him, from 
his POV, must be tedious for you.) Wheras I got the distinct 
impression from your posts and Zsenya's that even the suggestion that 
one thinks that it might be maybe possible for Ron to go to the dark 
side or betray his friends will get one booted from Sugarquill. Maybe 
I'm misunderstanding and I apologize if I am, but that was the clear 
impression that I got -- that even a thoughtful and well-reasoned 
argument as to why Ron might make the wrong sort of life choices or 
even the wrong sort of wardrobe choices ("Ron would never wear 
yellow!") will get one harpooned and tossed over the side of the boat 
ASAP. There's a middle ground between Weasley-bashing and utter Ron-
worship, and I get the feeling that even that middle ground wouldn't 
be tolerated. Again, I've only visited Sugarquill once, and 
*extremely* briefly, so I apologize if the impression I got from the 
site and the posts here was the wrong one, but that was it.

> 
> Cassie said:
> >I see no H/G in the books (i.e., indications that Harry has feeling
> >for Ginny 
> 
Kelly: And I see no evidence that he likes Hermione, but that doesn't 
stop people  from believing in H/H either.

And I see no evidence that Hermione likes Ron, but that doesn't stop 
people from believing in R/H.

<g>

Kelly: That said, I must say with reluctance that I think it far more 
likely (and it  pains me greatly to say this) that Ron will not make 
it to the end of Book 7  alive.  We have already seen a few instances 
where he willingly "sacrificed"  himself for Harry, and I suspect 
there's some foreshadowing there.  (And also  very poignantly in the 
fact that Ron was the thing Harry would miss the most.)  I am hoping 
against hope that this scenario does not play out, because I   would 
be devastated personally, much more so than if Harry died. It 
doesn't   bear thinking about.

<g> I wonder if this death-prediction thing is an indicator of who 
our favorite characters are? Well, of course it is. I worry all the 
time that something will happen to Harry, that he will die in the end 
of Book 7, wheras I remain convinced that Ron will survive, probably 
because I wouldn't mind as much if he didn't. <eg> (As much, people. 
I didn't say I wouldn't mind at all. I don't hate Ron, he's just 
maybe 8th on my list, that's all.)

Cassie