[HPforGrownups] SHIP: Questions for R/Hers...

[Rina Stewart]

No: HPFGUIDX 12106

Ebony wrote:

<<One of the top arguments that R/Hers have used in the past to debunk HGTG is that "Harry has everything else, so Ron deserves something that he doesn't have... the girl."

Validity of the above position aside... doesn't this reasoning work most 
satisfactorily if the hero actually wants the girl, and the girl (you have 
to admit the terminology involved in this position is troublesome) chooses 
the alternate hero/sidekick over him?...If Hermione also falls under this Unwanted category, I'm not sure how canon 
R/H would give Ron the satisfaction that he has something that Harry 
doesn't.  I'm not sure that even getting the girl at this point would 
completely alleviate his growing disquietude.>>

Okay. This has never been my argument, so I'm probably not going to do the R/Hers any good here. <g> I think that if it turns into Ron "getting" Hermione (I'm ruffling my OWN feminist feathers here!) when Harry wants her (Is there a better way to be saying this?), that would be bad, because that would pretty much ruin their friendships. That's when it turns into something akin to pettiness/jealousy/pity instead of actual love. You're right, that does Ron no good, because not only did he lose his best friend, but he lost a real relationship with Hermione because of the lousy way they entered it.

I've been sitting here reading your message repeatedly, and damned if I can't even defend the above rationale that apparently some R/Hers have taken, because it's rather insulting. Who started that?! LOL The relationship between Ron and Hermione should be just that - BETWEEN RON AND HERMIONE. If either one is going into it with the feeling that "Well, Harry has everything else, so I should be with Ron/Hermione should be with me," then watch me turn and jump ship. LOL What reason is THAT to base a relationship on? It'll go nowhere. 

I don't like HGTG because I don't think the hero wants the girl, and the girl doesn't want the hero, and for the love of all that is holy, why isn't here a better way of phrasing this? <g> Besides, all of this discussion isn't portraying Hermione in a very positive light. We're all pretty much disregarding who she likes in all this "Hero gets the girl, damn it!" and "Ron doesn't have anything, so give HIM the girl, damn it!" talk.  I personally can't wait until we see some more textual evidence as to who Hermione actually likes. I read what has happened so far as she likes Ron and is getting frusterated with his thick-headedness, but she hasn't come out and said anything in either direction. 

<<Also, yesterday in chat I asked the crowd what an extrapolated, paired-off 
future Ron and Hermione would talk about if they weren't arguing.  I got 
some silly responses that you'd have to check the chat transcripts for, but 
the top three answers were:  1)  Humdrum everyday things... what do all 
couples talk about?  2)  His work--her work.  3)  Talk?  They'd be too busy 
shagging.  ;o)  (Of course, all the H/H and no-shippers in the room ran away 
screaming at that point.)>>

What's wrong with these things? This is what couples talk about. At least, that is, from what I've seen of my parents, my friend's parents, and my married friends. Mundane is mundane because it's everyday things that happen - everyone eats, so they talk about dinner, etc. I see R/H talking about work, household chores, laundry, plans for the weekend, that vacation Ron is dragging her on because she's a workaholic, things like that. <g> They have friends in common, too, so they talk about and with them. I mean, gosh, what do they talk about now? What do Harry and Hermione talk about now? R/Harry have Quidditch, but there's not really a lot holding these three together, in terms of having things in common. And that's not bad - my best friend and I have been best friends for 16 years now, and we are practically polar opposites. But I don't question the fact that she's my best friend any more than I question the fact that the trio are best friends. 

So, I toss the question back to you. If you think these "mundane" things are bad, what do you think Harry and Hermione would talk about?

Rina
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