SHIP: The Hermione problem and other things (was RE: Questions for R/Hers...)

[Scott]

No: HPFGUIDX 12134

--I don't think we can say that Harry has no romantic feelings for 
Hermione. We certainly haven't seen any, but that doesn't mean that 
they might not be there somewhere. In fact this could go for any 
charater who we'd like to speculate about, but especially Harry as we 
do get some of his thoughts. The whole universe is only half has 
expansive as one's mind.  There are thoughts, feelings,  and emotions 
of Harry's that we'll never see. That does NOT mean they aren't 
there.  I'll be willing to bet that most of us don't even have a 
grasp on the depths of our own mind, our subconcious. I know I don't. 

I am a H/H shipper, and a proud one at that. However a thought struck 
me reading some of these last posts. No matter which ship you're on 
Hermione is being sold short. There's H/H and R/H both of which deal 
with Hermione getting together with her one of ther friends. Even 
FITD theory doesn't give Hermione much choice. We seem to accept that 
Harry might end up with someone else, and Ron might too. But Hermione 
ALWAYS seems to end up with Harry or Ron. What about Viktor? Granted 
I don't think her relationship with Krum was all that serious, nor do 
I think it will last. It just seems much more in Hermione's character 
to make a choice based on how she feels rather than just compromising 
between Harry or Ron. (I'm not saying that a romance b/w H/H or R/H 
would HAVE to seem like a compromise, but it easily could.)

There is something special about the Trio's friendship. There is 
evident love and trust. (Which has wavered during arguements in the 
past books, but I think that it is clearly there.)  Ther is NO way a 
romance between two member's of the Trio could not affect the 3rd 
party. Even if Harry isn't interested in Hermione and R/H happens he 
is still going to feel the affects of it. The way this might effect 
Ron (in a H/H situation) has already been argued eloquently so I 
shall leave well enough alone.

Ultimetly I guess that whatever happens happens. I shall continue to 
believe that Harry and Hermione complement each other more and that 
this pairing is more likely (post-canon IMO) than R/H. I would just 
rather see the trio find love elsewhere than have romance break them 
apart. Of course if JKR writes it convincingly I can TRY to accept 
anything (-even R/H. (Gasp) perish the thought!)

Penny wrote:
"Well, the H/H types do not use HGTG as an argument.  We *hate* HGTG 
it's demeaning to Hermione first of all.  It's the *R/H* types who 
have used HGTG.  They use it to say that H/H *can't* end up together 
because it *would* be HGTG.  But, there are lots of scenarios under 
which H/H get together at some point that do not fall into HGTG 
(IMO)."

--I don't like HGTG for so many reasons. Of course it degrades 
Hermione (see above) and over simplifies the emotions of these 
characters we've come to know and love, but most of all it seems far 
to "black and white" for JKR.

Penny wrote:
"I do hope that you are speaking solely about the "kid" readers and 
not levelling a huge insult at the reasonably large number of adults 
with advanced degrees who fall into the H/H camp.  <g>  It is the  
opinion of many H/H'ers that the R/H types are the ones who are 
missing the clues left by JKR and automatically pairing Hermione off 
with Ron because the surface text so clearly indicates that *he* 
likes *her*.  We think they're missing the ship!  <g>

--Right Penny! The subtle clues lead more towards H/H. The surface 
text seems obviously more like  R/H. IMO those R/H are the ones not 
reading into the canon. Perhaps this explains why more kids seem to 
be R/H.

Penny wrote:
"What I'm trying to say is that Harry stinks at giving us the dirt but
if you look closely enough, you can tell where JKR is leading us.
She's hit us over the head with the fact that Ron likes Hermione.  
But, wouldn't it be entirely too obvious (and too unlike JKR) to 
tread down that path without throwing in a plot twist or two (or 
three ....)?  <g>

--That's why we can discuss these books over and over and over 
and...tear them apart, and still have things to talk about. You never 
know with Jo! 

Penny wrote:
"All the above is just my opinion as well.  I don't speak for *all* my
shipmates.  And, to avoid any confusion whatsoever, this post is most
categorically not in my position as one of the Moderators of this
group.  My personal shipping views are neither sanctioned by nor 
agreed to by my fellow Moderators (who are mostly non-shippers)."

--It's okay Penny we forgive you! You and Eb are far better at 
arguing our "obviously superior views" (Relax Kathy I'm kidding!!!). 
I'm content to just be a humble deck hand.

Ebony had asked (I'm not quoting her directly)
What would Hermione and Ron talk about?

--I don't know. What DO married couples talk about?  I have often 
seen older couples sitting in resturants or riding in cars and not 
even talking or looking at each other. 

I would guess that they would talk about general things, the weather 
(maybe not) you know friends what they're planning to do. I don't 
know whatever normal people talk about...I guess these things are so 
mundane that we don't even know exactly what they are. (They could 
always talk about their favourite books. We certainly find the 
subject fascinating!)

Scott