Chapter - "Offense" - R. Skeeter - Snape/Slytherin - Madness - Cedric

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No: HPFGUIDX 11186

Karin wrote:
> Snape finds Harry outside of Dumbledore's office and tells him
> Dumbledore is busy.  After a bit of arguing, Dumbledore comes
> out of his office, and when he hears what Harry has to say,
> asks Harry to lead the way, leaving Snape standing behind, angry.

This is something I never understand.  By this time (GoF), Snape
definitely should have noticed already that Harry only tries to see
Dumbledore when he has good reason, information for D that D wants to
know, info against V.  So if Snape really is loyal to the Light Side
and/or Dumbledore, how could he let his desire to spite Harry interfere
with what is good for Dumbledore and the Light Side?

I suppose this is an excuse for me to yet again suggest that someone
(other than me) write an omniscient version of GoF which shows that
*Snape* is the Death Eater loyally serving V at Hogwarts -- Crouch Jr
really was an innocent man falsely convicted -- Moody really was Moody
but on the day of the Maze, Snape put him under Imperius Curse to do
that bad stuff -- while Harry was in graveyard, Snape knocked out Moody
and put him in the trunk and Polyjuiced young Crouch and put Imperius
Curse on young Crouch (or simply hypnotised him as to what he was to do
and what story he was to tell) -- Snape made FAKE Veritaserum, so young
Crouch's word cannot be trusted as truthful -- Snape set the Dementor on
young Crouch to avoid discovery of Crouch's innocence and Snape's
scheme. I haven't yet figured out the alternate interpretations of
Crouch Sr, Winky, and the Dark Mark at the World Cup.

Lori wrote:
> Well, it is just a theory.  No need to get offended.

I don't let being offended stop me from reading, enjoying, and admiring
PoU and STNE. I continue to be part of the chorus that sings the praises
of Lori Summers, fanfic author.

bbennett wrote:
> Relax and enjoy, and think of something to be properly offended by,
> such as a Crabbe/Goyle/Draco/Millicent Balstrode love quadrangle
> story. It's all for fun ;^)

See above.  Besides, I'm not offended by the suggestion of a
Crabbe/Goyle/Malfoy/Bulstrode love quadrangle (which one is Draco in
love with?), I just think that Vincent and Gregory are content to share
Millicent, Millicent is content with only two studs, and Draco finds
Millicent the LEAST attractive of the three mentioned ... I had some
hope of finding a place in my story for a scene where Pansy reveals to
Draco that she knows more about his scorecard than he knew she knew, and
I had been going to have her say that he'd 'had' every girl in her dorm,
half the girls in Slytherin House, two Ravenclaws, and a Hufflepuff
named Donna, but then realised that Millicent is in Pansy's dorm....

Storm Snuffles MacGoo wrote:
> Btw, what house do you think Rita Skitter was in?

It seems to me that she's an obvious Slytherin: she doesn't let anything
(like truthfulness, kindness, the law) stop her from getting what she
wants (a scoop, ink). I also believe that Gilderoy Lockhart was an
obvious Slytherin, altho' many people protested that he wasn't magic
enough to have gone to Hogwarts.

Monika Z. wrote:
> would two Muggles call their son "Severus"? It sounds like a typically

> magical name;

If one of the Muggles was named Caligula (the name I gave to Goyle Sr in
my fic).

> I believe Snape was in Slytherin (though it's not clearly stated
anywhere),

I agree: canonical evidence is Sirius in GoF: "He hung out with a group
of Slytherins who all became Death Eaters", and we haven't seen anyone
in canon hang out with a group all from another House. My theory is:
only a person who was a student in a House is allowed to be Master of
that House.

> and I also have the impression that a 100% Muggle-borns are not
> accepted there

I can't imagine that the Sorting Hat wouldn't put a person with
Slytherin personality into Slytherin House just because of hiser
ancestry. Altho' ol' Salazar would disapprove and nowdays the other
Slytherin students might make the Mudblood's life miserable ... were
they ALWAYS so bigotted?

Jim Ferer wrote:
> I sorta wish we could get "PTSD" out of this discussion. They don't
> have the DSM at Hogwarts. We all agree Harry's going to go through
> hell.

If they had the DSM at Hogwarts, it wouldn't match their mental
illnesses at all. People in the magic world 'go mad' in different ways
and for different reasons than Muggles do. Example of Longbottoms gone
mad and unable to recognize their own son because of experiencing an
excess of physical pain, and what CMC says below about The Madness of
Mr. Crouch.
(Admiration for having been a paramedic.)

Caius Marcus wrote:
> Both JKR and Shakespeare are more interested here in depicting
> the  inner turmoil of the character's innermost soul rather than a
> clinically accurate dramatization of a psychiatric syndrome (of
> course, no one in the Elizabethan era would have had the slightest
> idea of what a "psychiatric syndrome" might be!)

harrypotter00 wrote:
> My question is did we as readers find Cedric's death that emotional?

*I* did. I cried. JKR had done such a good job of displaying Cedric as a
truly nice person, embarrassed by his awful father, and not being huffy
with Harry when all the other Hufflepuffs were hating him, and of
displaying Cho as a nice person and the two of them as a nice couple...
and then his death was so *useless* so *trivial* so *callous* -- the
cook wringing the neck of a chicken for dinner probably feels more
emotion about it!!!

So far, all we know is that JKR said there must be deaths (cruel callous
unheroic deaths -- my words) in order to depict evil accurately, because
softening the depiction of evil makes it look not so bad. So far, we
haven't seen any reason the story wouldn't have been the same (but
somewhat less tragic for Harry et al) if Cedric just hadn't reached the
Cup, therefore hadn't been Portkeyed, therefore hadn't been killed. But
we may learn different in a future volume: that Ced's death freed up Cho
for Harry or sent Cho into a frenzy of vengeance against Harry, that
Amos makes a deal with V to betray his friends & the Light Side if V
promises to bring his son back to life, that digging a fresh grave in
the Diggory family plot turns up a treasure chest that had been
hidden/buried there since the latest Diggory family funeral and
something in that treasure chest is important to the plot ... not that
*I* am clever enough to come up with a reason that the treasure chest
couldn't have been found by a gardener digging up a flower bed rather
than by a sexton digging up a grave....
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