[HPforGrownups] Re: Black Eyes!! , more musings about Voldemort

Mon Jul 2 19:19:01 UTC 2001

No: HPFGUIDX 21816

 --- jll3sonex at hotmail.com ha scritto: 
<
<--- In HPforGrownups at y..., pigwidgeon37 at y...
<wrote:<BR>
<> OK, let's become serious: In some post of last
<week, I read the )<BR>
<> (uncontradicted) phrase that Voldemort is
<heading towards world <BR>
<> domination. IMHO, that's simply not true: He
<himself says to his <BR>
<DEs <BR>
<> that (inexact quotation, as I have lent the book
<to my best friend) <BR>
<<> his "ultimate goal was to conquer
<DEATH". Why else would he have <BR>
<> thought of giving his followers the strange name
<of "Death Eaters"? <BR>
<> And wouldn't he have, during 11 years of steady
<rise to power, <BR>
<> thought of expanding his reign outside England,
<if he had really <BR>
<> aimed at dominating the world? As far as we
<know, wizard and Muggle <BR>
<> killings have all taken place in England, there
<is no hint <BR>
<whatsoever <BR>
<> at any V-activities in other countries. All the
<DEs are English, <BR>
<with <BR>
<> the exception of Karkaroff, who IMO went to
<Hogwarts and was living <BR>
<> in England, before being sentenced and, some
<time after his <BR>
<release, <BR>
<> named Headmaster of Durmstrang.<BR>
<> World domination would be a bit clich, wouldn't
<it? It would make <BR>
<> Voldemort another Lex Luthor or Dr. Mabuse. I
<think that conceiving <BR>
<> him as the person who tries to overcome the
<ultimate obstacle, <BR>
<makes <BR>
<> him a lot more frightening than
<"poltical" ambition.<BR>
<> <BR>
<> Susanna<BR>

<Hi! I find something you said
interesting... 
 
<"As far as we know.." - As far as WE
<know... and that's the problem. 
<All we've SEEN is from a teen-ager's
<perspective.

If we *really* saw it from a teenager's perspective,
the narrator would be HP himself, speaking as "I". We
*follow* Harry, like following somebody with a camera,
or let's say it's him holding the camera and showing
us what he sees through it, but we *never* get a
teenager interpretation of the image, that's what
makes the book so appealing to grown-ups.

<history of the Wizarding world almost at the same
<rate as Harry is. 
<We're getting fed bits and pieces as it's
<necessary. Nobody's 
<mentioned V's activities in other countries - but
<then again Hitler 
<wasn't much of a problem outside Germany until he
<consolidated his 
<power base in the mid 30's and started expanding
<it.

Yes, that was exactly my point: V. doesn't expand his
power base because he doesn't have a political aim. 

<And consider 
<trying to explain WW2 to a 13 year old who had no
<background in 
<geography. (I hate to use WW2 as a parallel
<since it may seem like 
<I'm saying the Harry Potter series is just a thin
<rewriting of the 
<times - but that's what you get when you study
<history, you see 
<parallels when you might not before...)
<Wouldn't you be tempted to 
<tell the young teen-ager that there was a guy who was
<trying to take 
<over, and it took a whole lot of people fighting and
<dying to stop 
<him, rather than go into a long-winded explanation he
<may not have 
<the background for in the first place?

Yes, certainly, but the point about Hitler is that he
*wanted* to dominate the world. Moreover- and I agree
with you that V.-Hitler isn't quite the right thing-
in the scene where Voldemort is speaking to the Death
Eaters, the right parallel would be a documentary
showing Hitler who tells his followers the exact story
of his rise, fall and (oh my God!!) return to power.
There's no teenager point of view in this!

<clip>

<There's been no mention of books 
<on the Voldemort Conflict, that I recall - so all you
<have is word of 
<mouth, and that's pretty darn tightly closed
<off...

There is "The Rise and Fall of the Dark Arts",
Hermione mentions it, and there are "all the books
about You-Know-Who that tell about Harry defeating
You-Know-Who" (I promise I'll search the exact
quotation!!)

Susanna/pigwidgeon37

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