Fangs for mentioning this/warning -vampire theory

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No: HPFGUIDX 22555

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Kelley" <SKTHOMPSON_1 at m...> wrote:
> > David <dfrankis at d...> wrote (over two weeks ago):
> >
> > David, wondering whether we will be allowed to see Alan Rickman's 
> > canines. >>>>>
> 
> Yes, I know I'm ridiculously behind;

Yes, you are behind!  I have been waiting patiently for your thoughts 
on Snape and the vampire stuff.  There are only a few of us vampire 
believers out here so I need all the support I can get :-)

I was going to post again on why I believe Snape is a vampire but 
instead of doing it in a separate post I am just going to make some 
comments here.

>I'm thinking/theorizing that old 
> Sevvy is curbing and/or diminishing the most conspicuous or 
>unsavory aspects of his affliction with potions, as he did for 
Lupin.  Also i think this is part of how he became so proficient at 
>potions...

I do believe he is hiding what he is with potions.
 
> Other "Snape -is- a vampire" thoughts I've been mulling over:
> 
> Was he a vampire before he became a DE?  Did Vold want him for this 
> reason?  Or, did he become a vampire after becoming a DE?  If 
after, 
> was this forced upon him?  Did he turn against Vold because of what 
> Vold had done to him?  (And, is this why he is now so trusted by 
> Dumble?)  Or, did he become a vampire of his own will, and later 
came 
> to regret it for some reason?

Here we go!  When I first read the theories about Snape being a 
vampire I liked the theory that he became one after becoming a DE and 
that only after Voldemort was defeated would he be able to become 
normal again.  However, after reading GoF I have come to another 
conclusion.  I believe Snape has always been a vampire or at least 
was one when he first arrived at Hogwarts.  Let me say here I think 
most of Snape's problems came about before he ever stepped foot in 
Hogwarts.  Where did he come from and who are his parents?  I so want 
to know. The reason I think Snape came to Hogwarts as a vampire is 
his appearance.  I mentioned this on the snapesfans board and it 
didn't go over very well!  Sirius mentions Snape as a 'slimy, oily,  
greasy-haired kid.' Here we find out Snape has always looked as he 
does now. I think that is a clue.  

I think Dumbledore has always known what Snape is.  Again, Dumbledore 
is giving someone a chance to live as normal of a life as they can. 
He has done the same for Hagrid and Lupin.  I'm sure there are others 
he has done this for. In Gof Fudge tells Dumbledore:  "I might not 
have agreed with some of your decisions, but I've kept quiet.  There 
aren't many who'd have let you hire werewolves, or keep Hagrid...." I 
can just see Snape standing there, thinking...'or hire vampires.'

dfrankis wrote in message 22331:
>Ahem...!  My Theory:  Snape is a vampire (or in some other way 
>special and well able to defend himself against werewolves).  Sirius 
>found out and decided to play a prank which he knew would not be 
>fatal (or possibly he is prejudiced and thinks vampires should be 
>stamped out, see Percy's remarks about Rita Skeeter at the Burrow 
>just after the World Cup - IMO the single most important statement 
>about vampires in canon to date and worthy of a seperate essay).

I think you are so right about the importance of the Rita Skeeter 
statement.  GoF Ch 10:  "That woman's got it in for the Ministry of 
Magic!" said Percy furiously.  "Last week she was saying we're 
wasting our time quibbling about cauldron thickness, when we should 
be stamping out vampires!  As if it wasn't specifically stated in 
paragraph twelve of the Guidelines for the Treatment of Non-Wizard 
Part-Humans___"

Stamp out vampire?  Are they protected under some special law? Are 
they only part-human?

Let me add another statement from the book on just how well vampires 
are loved.  GoF Ch 9:  "No, you're not! yelled his friend.  "You're a 
dishwasher at the Leaky Cauldron...but I'm a vampire hunter, I've 
killed about ninety so far____"

A vampire hunter? Is it a big honor to kill vampires?

There would be no way Snape could attend Hogwarts as a vampire unless 
he was able to hide what he is.  It's the prejudice thing again.  

Kelly wrote;
> (And would this mean other DEs are 
> vampires?  Or, many vampires are DEs?  This would seem like a 
> desirable 'change' for TRjr to undergo in his quest for 
> immortality...)

The more I think about it I do believe some of the DE's are 
vampires.  So the question is this....if Snape has always been some 
type of vampire then how did he become one?  Dear Mom or Dad?  Were 
Snape's parents followers of Voldemort?  It would seem that someone 
in his past knew the dark arts.  How else would Snape have come to 
school knowing so much?  Is there a connection between Snape's family 
and Voldemort?

 
> Lupin definitely knows what Snape is; does Sirius?  Did James?  
Does 
> Hermione?

I think Lupin, Sirius, Dumbledore and Voldemort know.  I'm not sure 
about anyone else at the school. It's possible Hermione knows.  I do 
believe she would keep quiet about it.


>I also suspect that Hagrid knows.  He's very adamant that 
> Snape would never hurt a student, but he does get a bit shifty when 
> the topic of Snape's hatred of Harry comes up; of course, there 
could 
> be other reasons for this (and, it doesn't seem to have much to do 
> with Snape being a vampire, but I still suspect...).

I think Hagrid knows quite a bit about Snape that he isn't telling.  
He is rather adamant that Snape would never harm a child. Just as 
half-giant Hagrid would never harm a child, maybe he is accepting of 
what Snape is and believes Snape also would never hurt the students. 
As far as Snape's hatred for Harry, well I think that's about 
something else we don't truly know about yet.  It's not about 
Quidditch or James saving Snape's life IMHO.
 
> 
> Does Neville subconsciously (or even consciously) know?  Or sense 
> *something* about Snape?  (Is this why he especially fears him?  
> Seems like there's more to it than Snape's bullying of Neville, but 
> maybe not.)  

It just seems there has to be more to Snape/Neville than just a mean 
teacher taking advantage of a weak kid.  I do believe Neville knows 
something.  Maybe he is remembering events from the past as he is 
getting older.


 >Then again, maybe Snape gave the Lestranges, and whoever 
> else, the info to find the Longbottoms.  (Snape's guilt and remorse 
> over this are why Dumble trusts him so.)  If Snape is indirectly 
> responsible for the condition of Neville's parents, why does he 
>treat Neville so horribly?  Because Snape doesn't do guilt well, 
>can't deal 
> with knowing he's the reason this boy's parents are catatonic, so 
> turns his guilt into resentment, and thus, cruelty>


This starts a new topic.  Why does Dumbledore trust Snape?  I just 
can't see Dumbledore hiring Snape if he ever gave information that 
lead to anyone's death or torture (like the Longbottoms).  Especially 
the Longbottoms.  I can't see Dumbledore letting Snape teach Neville 
and treat him so horrible.  I would be disappointed in D. if that 
were the case.  Whatever Snape did it would have to be something 
huge.  It would have to be something more than telling D. that 
Voldemort was after the Potters.  It would have to be something more 
than 'I just changed my mind.'  Dumbledore does seem to trust Snape 
completely.  Why?  Either Snape did something 'really' big or he has 
always been working for Dumbledore.  Another thought is that Snape 
has his own personal reasons for wanting/needing Voldemort to be 
defeated.  He stands to gain something and Dumbledore knows that 
Snape will do his best to defeat Voldemort.

I also don't think Snape does the guilt trip very well.
 
Back to the vampire stuff - I could give all the references to bats, 
garlic and vampire essays and such but we've all been over
that. I think we also need to focus on the prejudice thing.  After 
all, even the Centaurs don't like vampires!  All these little hints.

What I am curious about is all the references to vampires and the 
forest.  Is that where they live in JKR's little world?  

Koinonia