vampire theory/ Snape's after Harry's throat

[monzaba at poczta.onet.pl]

No: HPFGUIDX 22646

Ooh, I ADORE writing about Snape! Thank you so much for giving me an 
oppotrunity to do it (not that I really need it, of course) ;)

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., koinonia02 at y... wrote:
>   There are only a few of us vampire 
> > > believers out here so I need all the support I can get :-)
> > 
> > Bet you do! For example, I do not believe it for a second.
> 
> Come now.  Does that mean you aren't about to join out little 
> group  ;)

Yes. Sorry, nothing personal. Just don't count me in ;)


> >I'd love to see Snape's delight on this! "Well, Lupin, 
> are 
> > you actually going to *do* the homework for your chosen students?"
>
 
> I can't see Snape saying that at all.  If so he would have just 
> said, "Well, Lupin, are you actually going to teach these kids 
> something worthwhile?" 

That's much better! Yes, it's exactly the thing Severus would say!

> > Well, I believe that there are not many things that Snape isn't 
> able 
> > to do with potions, but remember - potions have only temporary 
> > effects. Polyjuice works for only one hour, and Warewolf Bane is 
to 
> > be taken monthly - i.e., it works for one night, no more. 

> Snape is the potion master and he can make his little *anti-
vampire* 
> potion anytime he wants.  

Certainly. But I have a distant cousin who has to take insulin 
injections every day (or every two days, it's not important). And I 
tell you, if he had an opportunity to stop it, he would. No use for 
Snape to pick up a job that would make him prepare - and take - a 
potion daily. Why not live in an isolated cottage somewhere, going 
out from time to time in order to get some food and scare people? No, 
the other way round - to scare people and get some food. It's Severus 
we're talking about, after all!

> > > I believe Snape has always been a vampire or at least 
> > > was one when he first arrived at Hogwarts.
> 
>  
> > Mmm, can't see it this way. If he was, he would be in the same 
> shoes 
> > as Lupin, and he wouldn't be hating him so much, would he? 
> Remember, 
> > it's Harry Potter universe we're talking about now, not the World 
> of 
> > Darkness!
> 
> We had this discussion before.  Yes, Snape and Lupin would be in 
the 
> same shoes.  Why would that stop Snape from hating him?  It's Snape 
> we are talking about.  

Yes, Snape might dislike/hate Lupin for any other reason - from the 
colour of Remus's hair to the unbearable fact that he's a Gryffindor. 
He might be jealous  at all the support Lupin's friends gave him. But 
still, Snape would've been intelligent enough not to start a "get-rid-
of-non-humans" campaign!

 
> > (BTW, if Snape *was* a WoD vampire, he'd be a Ventrue or Tremere, 
> > don't you think? And yes, he'd be on werevolves' throats!)
> 
> I don't know what a Ventrue or Tremere is.  I think one thing to 
> remember is that we are talking the world of JKR and not Anne Rice 
or 
> some other author. 

Now don't you? So how it comes you know what I'm writing about? :)
Oh, I know, you used "show yourself" spell or something similar on my 
post. :)


> > > dfrankis wrote in message 22331:
> > > >Ahem...!  My Theory:  Snape is a vampire (or in some other way 
> > > >special and well able to defend himself against werewolves).  

I DO agree that Snape's special. Oh, my cute Snapey! 
Please, please don't tell him that I wrote this! :)
Still, I don't think he was able to defend himself against warewolves.

> monzaba wrote: 
> > Well... if Snape was "well able to defend himself against 
> werewolves" 
> > he would't become indebted to James Potter. What a debt it is, 
when 
> > another person helps you to do a thing you're more than capable 
of 
> > doing without inteference? And why would everybody insist that 
> > James's intervetion was to save Snape's live, not Lupin's?
> 

> I do believe Snape is a vampire or in some way special.  I would 
like 
> to think that is why Sirius allowed Snape to go in the tunnel.  
> Sirius knew that Snape wouldn't get hurt. 

No. If it was a case of "Hey, Snape, there's a little amusement fer 
ya, you'll like it, and you won't get hurt, I know!" Sirius wouldn't 
have been commenting about it with a short, feelingless "it served 
him right".

 
> Also, I can see James interfering on behalf of 
> Lupin and not Snape.

I can see even James interfering on behalf of Rita Skeeter, not of 
Black, Lupin or Snape, but this does not explain why Snape feels 
indebted to James.


> > >  GoF Ch 10:  "That woman's got it in for the Ministry of 
> > > Magic!" said Percy furiously.  "Last week she was saying we're 
> > > wasting our time quibbling about cauldron thickness, when we 
> should 
> > > be stamping out vampires!  As if it wasn't specifically stated 
in 
> > > paragraph twelve of the Guidelines for the Treatment of Non-
> Wizard 
> > > Part-Humans___"
> 
> monazaba wrote: 
> > Snape's NOT a "Non-Wizard"! Filch is a non-wizard, not Severus.
> > Though Snape *might* be a part-human, for all we know. And we do 
> not 
> > know much.
> 
> 
> I don't take that to mean that Snape isn't a wizard or that 
vampires 
> don't have some powers. 

Ouch, my pseudo-English again. Sorry, folks, it must be terrible for 
you to hear all these foreigners abusing the beautiful language of 
Shakespeare and Co.
No, I meant that Percy is talking about vampires. If vampires 
are "non-wizard", than Snape, being a wizard, cannot be a vampire.

> Clause three of the Code of Wand Use states 
> that 'no non-human creature is permitted to carry or use a wand.'  
> That doesn't mean they don't have the power.  It means they are not 
> allowed.  Just another reason for Snape not to let anyone know what 
> he is.  

I know that for you magical people "non-wizard" and "non-human" may 
be almost synonyms, but c'mon! For us Muggles it's not the same 
thing! If vampires are just non-wizards, they may still have a wand. 
If they're non-human, the Paragraph Twelve of the Guidelines for the 
treatment of Non-Wizard *Part*-Humans does not apply to them!


> The point is that Rita wants to stamp them out and 
> this kid thinks he can impress someone by being a vampire hunter 
and 
> killing ninety of them.
> 
> *If* Snape has always been some type of vampire, can you imagine 
what 
> his life was like before coming to Hogwarts?    


He's not, so I don't need to bother :)
Anyway, I guess that Ministry rules say only that wizards should not 
stamp out vampires (and warewolves) for the fun of the thing (or 
because they simply feel it's the right thing to do). Banning a large-
scale massacre doesn't necessary mean that the poor creatures are 
protected against some minor ways of mistreatment. Remember that 
Lupin couldn't get himself a paid job for several years? 
Anyway, IMO the whole 'prejudice against warewolves/vampires" subject 
is irrelevant to Snape. Because HE'S NOT a vampire. Howgh! :)
 
> > Another troubling santence. It seems as if Hagrid was *sure* that 
> > Snape is more than capable of hurting other people.
> 
> PoS Ch 11
> 'So why did he just try and kill Harry?' cried Hermione.
> 'I'm tellin' yeh, yer wrong!' said Hagrid hotly. 'I don't know why 
> Harry's broom acted like that, but Snape wouldn' try an' kill a 
> student!
> 
> This is the part I'm talking about.  I don't see any way that 
Hagrid 
> is suggesting that Snape is more than capable of hurting other 
> people. There are just talking about students here.

Ohhh, thank you! I guess it was just my rotten imagination then! I've 
made up horrible theories only because Hagrid didn't say that "Snape 
wouldn't try an' kill *anybody*".

> > Neville has every reason in the world to be 
> > scared of Snape. Severus has seen to that. 

> I still say there's another reason for how Neville reacts around 
> Snape.  

Maybe he just knows that Snape was a DE? 
 
> someone wrote: 
> > >  >Then again, maybe Snape gave the Lestranges, and whoever 
> > > > else, the info to find the Longbottoms.  
> > 
> > Oh c'mon, Snape left the Dark side long before the Longbottoms 
were 
> > abused! I'm prepared to believe that he knew of the preparations 
> for 
> > the attack, but simply did't believe it. ("What, these idiots are 
> > trying to bring the Dark Lord back to power? Ridiculous! Not even 
> > worth *mentiong* to Dumbledore!")
> 
> Yes, it seems Snape had left the Dark side long before the 
torture.  
> I don't believe that if Snape knew of the preparations that he 
would 
> ignore that information and not pass it along.  

Perhaps we'll just agree to disagree here? In the state of euphoria 
after VWI, perhaps Snape just wouldn't *want* to believe that some 
madmen would try to restore Voldemort?
The attack on Longbottoms came as a "great shock" to the wizarding 
community. I believe that neither Snape, nor Dumbledore, nor anybody 
else, *knew* of it before it happened! OK, I may make great 
concessions and visualise Snape knowing it, but I cannot see him 
*believing* in such a nonsense. Only, of course, that it wasn't a 
nonsense. Poor Longbottoms! 

> Koinonia wrote: 
> > > This starts a new topic.  Why does Dumbledore trust Snape?  
(...) 
> > Whatever Snape did it would have to be something 
> > > huge.  
> 
> monzaba wrote: 
> > I agree. It is my strong belief that Dumbledore trusts Snape 
> because 
> > he has *proven* himself to him. No words, no declarations, no 
> > remorse - just a solid, very solid proof.
> 
> So how did he prove himself?  I don't know if that would be 
enough.  
> What would make Dumbledore trust this DE right in the midst of all 
> the terrible things going on?  Like Harry, I would like to know 
what 
> it was!

So do I!

[message 22605]:
> How about this:

>"Harry wouldn't have thought it possible that Snape's dislike for 
him 
could increase, but it certainly had done.  A muscle twitched 
unpleasantly at the corner of Snape's thin mouth every time he looked 
at Harry, and he was constantly flexing his fingers, as though 
itching to place them around Harry's throat."

> ;-)  Now why do you suppose Snape wanted to place his fingers 
around  
> Harry's throat and why was the corner of his mouth twitching? 

My guess is that he wanted to strangle Harry. If Harry felt that 
Snape was after his blood... But that reminds me! In PS/SS (or CS, 
I'm not sure) Dumbledore says something like: have a rest, Harry, "or 
Madam Pomfrey would be after my blood" [quoting form memory]. Now 
that's an interesting point, isn't it? :) A school nurse - what a 
beautiful post for a vampire!

Monika
(The Snape-no-he's-not-a-Vampire Fan)