Fangs for mentioning this/warning -vampire theory

[Cheryl]

No: HPFGUIDX 22864

Hi...

This is my only time posting to this list.  I find Snape one of the 
more fascinating characters in these stories, and I am becoming more 
convinced that he is, if not a vampire, then special in some other 
way.  One reference that I have not heard mention of here is in the 
Chamber of Secrets.  I believe that by the time Harry and Ron flew 
into the Whomping Willow tree, it was dark or getting dark.  It 
wasn't too long after that that Snape confronted them and makes a 
statement to the effect that his search of the park revealed 
significant damage to the tree.  I think for him to have searched the 
park and also detected damage to the tree in the dark, in this amount 
of time, may indicate some special ability (i.e. to fly? to see in 
the dark?).  Perhaps the task that Dumbledore gave him at the end of 
GoF was some sort of search mission?  There are abundant references 
that point toward Snape being a vampire, but then again JKR seems to 
like "red herrings."

Also, I have heard rumors that the new DADA teacher would be female, 
and I have heard some people on a list suggest that it might be Fleur 
Delacour.  She is way way too young!  Maybe the new DADA teacher 
would be Arabella Figg, and the reason she lived close to the 
Dursleys and helped to babysit Harry was to guard him.

Regarding Dumbledore's look of triumph in GoF, perhaps Wormtail 
already did repay Harry for saving his life in some way that we 
cannot yet see, but that is apparent to Dumbledore.


--- In HPforGrownups at y..., koinonia02 at y... wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., monzaba at p... wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., koinonia02 at y... wrote:
>   There are only a few of us vampire 
> > > believers out here so I need all the support I can get :-)
> > 
> > Bet you do! For example, I do not believe it for a second.
> 
> Come now.  Does that mean you aren't about to join out little 
> group  ;)
> 
> 
> >The whole 
> > Snape-is-a-vampire theory is based on one sentence only.
> 
> Not at all, as Amy Z pointed out in another message.  I do love 
that 
> example but I don't know if that one is even the most convincing 
one.
> 
> >In PoA, 
> >Can you imagine Lupin 
> > saying something like "C'mon, boys, I need a word about your 
> > homework"? I'd love to see Snape's delight on this! "Well, Lupin, 
> are 
> > you actually going to *do* the homework for your chosen students?"
> 
> I can't see Snape saying that at all.  If so he would have just 
> said, "Well, Lupin, are you actually going to teach these kids 
> something worthwhile?"  Instead Lupin made a remark that let Snape 
> know he wasn't going to put up with all his crap.  Two can play at 
> this game.  While I'm talking about this part with *darling* Lupin:
> 
> Amy Z wrote in message 22587:
> 
> >...it makes darling Lupin out to be kind of a jerk - but then 
again, 
> >wouldn't he be boring if he were *too* angelic?
> 
> Oh I don't think it makes Lupin look bad at all (now dressing the 
> Snape boggart in clothes is another story!).  I like what Lupin 
did.  
> He is just standing up to Snape.  Lupin isn't an angel but I too 
> think he is darling.  Of course I think Snape is a darling so go 
> figure! 
> 
> Back to the remarks of monzaba: 
>   
> > Brave one! I wouldn't dare to call Snape "Sevvy" to his face!
> 
> I wouldn't either.  
>  
> > Well, I believe that there are not many things that Snape isn't 
> able 
> > to do with potions, but remember - potions have only temporary 
> > effects. Polyjuice works for only one hour, and Warewolf Bane is 
to 
> > be taken monthly - i.e., it works for one night, no more. And 
there 
> > are many possible explanations why Snape's skin is sallow - it's 
> not 
> > that it must be a side effect of some Vampire-to-Human potion!
> 
> Snape is the potion master and he can make his little *anti-
vampire* 
> potion anytime he wants.  Who knows what that potion does?  But I 
> will grant you that Snape's skin color could just be naturally 
> yellow, his teeth could just be naturally yellow and crooked, and 
his 
> hair could just be naturally greasy.  Still...........
> 
>  
> > > I believe Snape has always been a vampire or at least 
> > > was one when he first arrived at Hogwarts.
> 
>  
> > Mmm, can't see it this way. If he was, he would be in the same 
> shoes 
> > as Lupin, and he wouldn't be hating him so much, would he? 
> Remember, 
> > it's Harry Potter universe we're talking about now, not the World 
> of 
> > Darkness!
> 
> We had this discussion before.  Yes, Snape and Lupin would be in 
the 
> same shoes.  Why would that stop Snape from hating him?  It's Snape 
> we are talking about.  An example I used before is prejudice.  They 
> are those who constantly throw at the word prejudice.  They accuse 
> everyone else of being prejudice yet can't see that they are just 
as 
> prejudice as those they are accusing.  Happens all the time.  The 
> Harry Potter Universe is indeed *dark* in many ways.  Vampires are 
> mentioned in each book.  I guess they are considered dark.  I'm not 
> sure if that is what you mean.
> 
> > (BTW, if Snape *was* a WoD vampire, he'd be a Ventrue or Tremere, 
> > don't you think? And yes, he'd be on werevolves' throats!)
> 
> I don't know what a Ventrue or Tremere is.  I think one thing to 
> remember is that we are talking the world of JKR and not Anne Rice 
or 
> some other author. I don't think Snape is your typical vampire.  
Look 
> at Voldemort.  He is a little bit of everything due to his quest 
for 
> immortality.    
> 
>  
> > Still the same thing. If he was in the same - no, better! - 
> situation 
> > as Lupin, why should he hate him?
> 
> Snape just doesn't like Lupin.  He isn't going to turn around and 
> decide to accept Lupin just because they are in the same situation. 
> The last time I looked King Kong still didn't like Godzilla and you 
> would have thought those two would have joined teams!
> 
>  
> > > dfrankis wrote in message 22331:
> > > >Ahem...!  My Theory:  Snape is a vampire (or in some other way 
> > > >special and well able to defend himself against werewolves).  
> 
> monzaba wrote: 
> > Well... if Snape was "well able to defend himself against 
> werewolves" 
> > he would't become indebted to James Potter. What a debt it is, 
when 
> > another person helps you to do a thing you're more than capable 
of 
> > doing without inteference? And why would everybody insist that 
> > James's intervetion was to save Snape's live, not Lupin's?
> 
> I do believe Snape is a vampire or in some way special.  I would 
like 
> to think that is why Sirius allowed Snape to go in the tunnel.  
> Sirius knew that Snape wouldn't get hurt.  However, that doesn't 
> excuse the actions of Black.  I agree with you that there still 
> remains the fact that Dumbledore, Snape, and James feel that 
Severus' 
> life was in danger.  Also, I can see James interfering on behalf of 
> Lupin and not Snape.
> 
>  
> > >  GoF Ch 10:  "That woman's got it in for the Ministry of 
> > > Magic!" said Percy furiously.  "Last week she was saying we're 
> > > wasting our time quibbling about cauldron thickness, when we 
> should 
> > > be stamping out vampires!  As if it wasn't specifically stated 
in 
> > > paragraph twelve of the Guidelines for the Treatment of Non-
> Wizard 
> > > Part-Humans___"
> 
> monazaba wrote: 
> > Snape's NOT a "Non-Wizard"! Filch is a non-wizard, not Severus.
> > Though Snape *might* be a part-human, for all we know. And we do 
> not 
> > know much.
> 
> 
> I don't take that to mean that Snape isn't a wizard or that 
vampires 
> don't have some powers. Clause three of the Code of Wand Use states 
> that 'no non-human creature is permitted to carry or use a wand.'  
> That doesn't mean they don't have the power.  It means they are not 
> allowed.  Just another reason for Snape not to let anyone know what 
> he is.  I know there is another reference to wands and creatures or 
> vampires but I couldn't find it just now.
> 
> Koinonia wrote: 
> > > Stamp out vampires?  Are they protected under some special law? 
> Are 
> > > they only part-human?
> 
> monzaba wrote: 
> > If the Ministry was to protect vampires, neither Rita Skeeter nor 
> > this poor Veela-charmed boy would be talking loud about stamping 
> them 
> > out.
> 
> So are you saying vampires are not protected in some way? That 
really 
> isn't the point.  The point is that Rita wants to stamp them out 
and 
> this kid thinks he can impress someone by being a vampire hunter 
and 
> killing ninety of them.
> 
> *If* Snape has always been some type of vampire, can you imagine 
what 
> his life was like before coming to Hogwarts?    
> 
>  
>  
> > > There would be no way Snape could attend Hogwarts as a vampire 
> > unless 
> > > he was able to hide what he is.  It's the prejudice thing 
again.  
> 
>  
> > Hide it? From Dumbledore? C'mon, Albus would have allowed this 
> poor, 
> > poor vampire boy into his school immediately! And Severus would 
> have 
> > been in exactly the same situation as Remus.
> 
> That's exactly what I said.  I never said he could or did hide it 
> from Dumbledore.  He had to hide it from the wizarding world as a 
> whole.
> 
>   
> > > >I also suspect that Hagrid knows.  He's very adamant that 
> > > > Snape would never hurt a student, 
> 
>  
> > Another troubling santence. It seems as if Hagrid was *sure* that 
> > Snape is more than capable of hurting other people.
> 
> PoS Ch 11
> 'So why did he just try and kill Harry?' cried Hermione.
> 'I'm tellin' yeh, yer wrong!' said Hagrid hotly. 'I don't know why 
> Harry's broom acted like that, but Snape wouldn' try an' kill a 
> student!
> 
> This is the part I'm talking about.  I don't see any way that 
Hagrid 
> is suggesting that Snape is more than capable of hurting other 
> people. They are just talking about students here.  Dumbledore 
> wouldn't have Snape teaching at Hogwarts if he believed Snape would 
> harm anyone without being justified in doing so.
>  
>   
> > Neville has every reason in the world to be 
> > scared of Snape. Severus has seen to that. Don't we know that 
> Neville 
> > routinely breaks down in Snape's classes? Poor boy.
> 
> I still say there's another reason for how Neville reacts around 
> Snape.  
> 
> someone wrote: 
> > >  >Then again, maybe Snape gave the Lestranges, and whoever 
> > > > else, the info to find the Longbottoms.  
> > 
> > Oh c'mon, Snape left the Dark side long before the Longbottoms 
were 
> > abused! I'm prepared to believe that he knew of the preparations 
> for 
> > the attack, but simply did't believe it. ("What, these idiots are 
> > trying to bring the Dark Lord back to power? Ridiculous! Not even 
> > worth *mentiong* to Dumbledore!")
> 
> Yes, it seems Snape had left the Dark side long before the 
torture.  
> I don't believe that if Snape knew of the preparations that he 
would 
> ignore that information and not pass it along.  As a spy he would 
> have passed along any info and let Dumbledore decide what action to 
> take if any.  
> 
> Koinonia wrote: 
> > > This starts a new topic.  Why does Dumbledore trust Snape?  
(...) 
> > Whatever Snape did it would have to be something 
> > > huge.  
> 
> monzaba wrote: 
> > I agree. It is my strong belief that Dumbledore trusts Snape 
> because 
> > he has *proven* himself to him. No words, no declarations, no 
> > remorse - just a solid, very solid proof.
> 
> So how did he prove himself?  I don't know if that would be 
enough.  
> What would make Dumbledore trust this DE right in the midst of all 
> the terrible things going on?  Like Harry, I would like to know 
what 
> it was!
> 
> Koinonia wrote: 
> > > What I am curious about is all the references to vampires and 
the 
> > > forest.  Is that where they live in JKR's little world?  
> 
> monzaba wrote: 
> > If so, Snape-the-dungeon-inhabitant is not your typical vampire :-
)
> > But his not a vampire. He's not, he's not, he's not!
> 
> You know he is - so just admit it ^o^  If he isn't that's fine 
also.  
> But there is something about Snape that's different. Someone on 
> another board suggested that Snape was the result of some kind of 
> experiment and I thought that was pretty sick and silly.  However, 
> look at old Voldy!
>   
>  
> > Monika
> > (The Snape fan)
> 
> Koinonia
> (The other Snape fan, whether he is or isn't)