[HPforGrownups] SHIP: not so long response (was Long Post Re: R/H Yule Ball

[firoza10 at yahoo.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 13786

Hello once again!

Carol wrote in response to my long post:
My comment:

Why not? There are loads of reasons why she might do R/H and then 
tear them
assunder...come on use your imagination and think of the great 
dramatic and
not necessarily soapish dramatic potential there.  Including but not 
limited
to exploring feelings of loss and betrayal and individuals deciding 
to do
what is good for them vs. what is good for the wizard community as a 
whole.
We can't possibly know what JKR has up her sleeve as far as 
relationships
and their repercussions.   I see no reason for your confidence that 
while
OBHWF (one big happy weasley family) might happen, why it necessarily 
will
be preserved

As I mentioned in my long post, these are MY opinions and are in no 
way meant to imply that H/H is wishful thinking, as Carole has put 
into my mouth :-). I will not go over it all again, but I believe 
once again that the R/H and H/H stance to what JKR will eventually do 
remains unchanged (as I mentioned in my post, it was NOT meant to 
change the H/H viewpoint, only clarify why we R/H-er's are so sure 
that R/H is the way JKR is headed<g>) So, please do not take umbrage 
at my OPINIONS, as I do not take any umbrage at yours *smile* This 
debate is all in good nature (as I mentioned in my previous post as 
well). 

As for JKR doing R/H and then 'tearing them asunder', as Carole has 
pointed out, HP is not a romance, even if romance will play a minor 
role, and I respectively disagree with her. It is my OPINION that 
JKR, who is doing such a slow build up to ANY sort of romance in the 
HP books, will with only one or two books remaining have R/H hook up 
and then break up so, as dramatic as that may be <g>. And how does 
R/H breaking up have anything to do with their 'exploring feelings of 
loss and betrayal and individuals deciding to do what is good for 
them vs. what is good for the wizard community as a whole'. How does 
R/H breaking up become 'good for the wizard community as a whole'? Is 
there something special about H/H that makes that particulary 
pairing 'good for the wizard community as a whole' vs. R/H? I thought 
people got together mainly because of 'individuals deciding to do 
what is good for them', not because of community pressures, or am I 
reading some other book <g>? So, if R/H decide they like each other 
romantically, isn't it archaic to assume that they will put aside 
their burgeoning feelings for the 'good of the community' since as I 
stressed, these feelings are still waiting to be explored and IMO are 
just a side note to the overall plot of the remaining books? Again, 
these are MY opinions, and of course H/H fans have their own, else 
where would the debate be <vbg>? I agree with Carole, that we cannot 
possible know what JKR has up her sleeve as far as relationships and 
their repercussions. But since relationships are not the main focus 
of HP as we all agree, as dramatic and imaginative as it would be to 
have R/H (or even H/H ;-) to happen only for the couple to be later 
torn asunder, I don't think JKR has TIME to explore that aspect if 
Harry and Company's main concern is to fight Voldemort. The most that 
IMO JKR will have is some subtle hints. I see every reason to be 
confident that OBHF may take place, just as you are confident it will 
not, and never the twain shall meet :-)

Carole also wrote:
Again Why not? Could you predict the tone of GoF from the previous 
books.
There are still 3 massive books out there to be written.  I think you 
give
wayb too little credit to JKR's imagination.  No, romance is not the 
prime
theme of these books, but I think it will play a role if even a 
rather minor
one.  But since there is just the beginnings of evidence for these
relationships to happen at all, how can you predict that once these
relationships (that you are so sure of) form they will last forever?


Well yes, I could predict the tone of GoF since JKR had stressed in 
chats and interviews held prior to the release of GoF, that the tone 
of the books would get darker and that there would be deaths starting 
in Book IV. As I elaborated in length in my long previous post, JKR 
has been ambigious about WHO will die, but not about deaths 
occurring. And JKR has said the remaining books will be getting even 
darker so really, the romance angle will most likely be very minor so 
again, I must ask, as dramatic as it would be to have R/H split up 
for the 'good of the community' I really don't see what purpose that 
would serve to further the plot sense as we both agree romance is a 
subplot not the main emphasis. Although, R/H splitting up to make way 
for H/H who will somehow be 'good for the community' sounds like it 
would make a terrific fanfic <vbg>. Book IV was massive, but I doubt 
that the next three books will be as 'massive', as much as we would 
wish it otherwise, so again romance is most likely going to only be a 
side note <vbg>.

As Carole said, this IS just the beginning for these relationships to 
happen, but IMO, breaking up R/H to make way for H/H does not follow 
the tone of the books, whose main emphasis IMO is friendship, family, 
good battling evil with romance as just a side note <g>. I find it 
amusing (but not surprising, given the dedication of H/H fans ;-) 
that for a romance that is just barely budding, we already have 
people looking for it's demise <vbg>. 

Now, I have to ask, if the shoe was on the other foot and H/H was the 
way JKR was headed <g>, would H/H fans be so quick to predict it not 
lasting into adulthood? Would it still be dramatic to have H/H split 
up in order for them to 'explore their feelings of loss and betrayal' 
and make way for R/H? Why is it that a relationship started as 
teens can work for H/H but not for R/H? Even though some H/H fans say 
that they see H/H post-Hogwarts, from the vigour of the Yule Ball 
debate and the shipping debates in general, most H/H fans do see 
a 'subtext' for H/H even as teens, so why are H/H fans so sure H/H 
will last into adulthood, but R/H cannot possibly do so? Because R/H 
fight? That is a matter of personal experience and that aspect has 
already been covered so I will not go into it again <g>. 

Since IMO the R/H is as yet 'implied' (no where in Books I-IV have 
Ron and Hermione outright said they like each other romanticaly ;-), 
I can go back and see a 'subtext' for an R/H relationship easily 
("Whatever house she's in I hope I am not in it." Ron, Book I, 
referring to Hermione ;-), so if 'subtext' means 'implied' well I see 
more instances of an implied relationship between Ron and Hermione, 
than between H/H <g>. I guess 'subtext' is not just valid for H/H, 
since so far R/H has only been implied ;-)

I give very high credit to JKR's imagination which is why I am sure 
she can make even OBHF have a new and fresh feel <vbg>. 

I will end by stating once again, to please keep my comments in 
context, I am NOT trying to make H/H fans take umbrage :-) I am just 
voicing my OPINION and if I sound confident, it is because I have the 
courage of my convictions to back me up, just as I am sure the truly 
dedicated H/H fan does for THEIR stance <vbg>. If we all agreed on 
the same couple, this debate would not be as highly entertaining as 
it is :-)

Bouncer Firoza of the Good Ship R/H with the SS H/G on the side.

Going back into lurkdom, but ready to come out if need be....