Where to find the H/H Mission Statement

[Ebony AKA AngieJ]

No: HPFGUIDX 13842

-- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Here's my shipping position up front:  I see the canon drifting 
R/H, but I wouldn't put money on it continuing to do so, JKR being 
the gloriously unpredictable writer that she is, nor do I care a 
shrivelfig whether it does.  

Amy Z, you're one of my favorite people around here.  I love your 
posts, and I mostly agree with the "trees" of your shipping position, 
if not the forest.  At times like these, I wish I could trade your 
cool resolve for my bushel of shrivelfigs.  

I did laugh out loud when I saw that it's been said that the H/Hers 
haven't stated their positions.  The most vocal H/Hers on list 
include a couple of lawyers, a journalist, an English teacher, and a 
scientist or two.  

Not only are we the State Your Position crowd, we have *asked* the 
R/Hers repeatedly to do the same.  Repeatedly.

The Potential Romantic Pairings FAQ is coming.  Until then, let me 
see what I can do to help.  :)

First, there is no blanket H/H "ship position".  Most H/Hers read the 
subtext in various ways.  Some of the posts in which I explain my 
position include 7335, 7284, 10085, 10958, 10997, 12092.  (D/G 
support as early as 2077--I wasn't nearly as vocal pre-Christmas as I 
am now.)  Not all H/H shippers agree with me all the time, though... 
and vice versa.

And Penny has *repeatedly* summed up the supports that most H/Hers 
seen in canon.  Repeatedly.  So repeatedly, in fact, that this was 
the source of my amusement.

Then I realized something.  We haven't been communicating the terms 
of the ship debate very well.  You see, the H/Hers want the R/Hers to 
synthesize all the GoF quotes into theories and postulates.  The 
H/Hers aren't as interested in your list of facts as they are in 
conclusions that can be defended according to logic.

The R/Hers, on the other hand, don't care about our theories.  To 
them, all our theories, all the extrapolated trends we can point to 
in fan writing, all our anecdotes, and all our "gut feelings" are 
bunk... if not sheer insanity.  I do believe that the Ron/Hermione 
camp wants to knows want to know exactly what JKR wrote *in canon* 
that rings the H/H bell in our minds... chapter and verse.  Am I 
correct?

If so, here's my answer.  Keep in mind that this is NOT official H/H 
rhetoric--it's 100% me.  So all dissention should be directed to me, 
not my shipmates.  Thanks in advance!

As I read canon, this is the evidence I see for the He--->Ha aspect 
of FITD.  I am not about to give chapters and a full analysis 
tonight.  I have neither the time nor the inclination.  However, I am 
willing to discuss.

PS/SS
1)  Train scene, first introduction
2)  Post-chess scene, after the Potions test (can't wait to see how 
they interpret that in the upcoming movie)

CoS
Haven't re-read it in a while... nothing sticks out, as Hermione was 
petrified for half the book.  Didn't even think of R/H at the time.  
It did raise the H/G question for me though when I first read it (it 
was my entrance into HP)... but PoA and GoF answered it.

PoA
Whole book, esp. trends in the last 6-7 chapters... led me to write a 
paper on it and 3 other elements of PoA's ending for grad school.  
For the five months between my first read of it and the GoF release, 
my gut was eventual H/H.

GoF
1)  First person Harry thinks of after the Scar dream is Hermione
2) Quidditch World Cup, during the game
3) The post-GoF, pre-First Task stretch of time
4)  House-Elf Liberation Front chapter... sneaking to the kitchens, 
etc.
5)  Post-Second Task (Penny and I have already *explained* how we 
read this)
6)  Third Task and Hermione's reaction (Parker's interp is just how I 
see things...)
And I'd leave it out personally, because I don't think it meant all 
that much, but...
7)  The Kiss

The problem is certainly not that the subtextual evidence for H/H 
that we see in canon has not been explained.  It's just that it isn't 
recognized as valid by some... and I'm sorry, but I can't help you 
there.  :-)

Best,

Ebony AKA AngieJ