Plot hole - POV & Interim Report IV: Dale v. Fry Taste Test

Haggridd jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com
Tue May 8 20:18:17 UTC 2001


No: HPFGUIDX 18392

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> > 
> > To be precise, that scene is third-person 
> > whateveryoucallitwhenthenarratorisn'tinANYONE'Shead (however I 
> search, 
> > I can't find a term for this POV).  We see things Harry can't 
see, 
> > which distinguishes it from the vast majority of the narration 
> > (third-person limited to Harry), but we don't get anyone else's 
POV. 
>  
> > We only know of Ron and Hermione what we'd know if we were 
sitting 
> > next to them in the stands.
> > 
> > The first part of the first chapter of PS/SS and the first 
chapter 
> of 
> > GF are the only ones where third-person limited is used but is 
> limited 
> > to the POV of a character besides Harry:  Vernon and Frank, 
> > respectively.  After Vernon goes to bed in PS/SS 1, the narration 
is 
> > as at the first Quidditch match--third person, showing us things 
> Harry 
> > can't see yet not letting us into the thoughts of Dumbledore, 
> > McGonagall, or Hagrid.
> > 
> > Amy Z
> > League of Obsessed Nitpickers
> > 
> The term that you were searching for, Amy, is the "omniscient 
narrator".  It has also been referred to as "omniscient author".

In the lastest of my reports on my observations on hearing Fry after 
hearing Dale, I feel strongly about the following:

The centaurs are a tossup for me, with the edge going to Dale, but 
only marginally.

Fry's Ginny is simply dreadful.   It hurts my ears to hear it.  
Dale's Ginny is not anything spectacular, but his interpretation is 
not literally painful to listen to.  

The same might be said of Fry's Dobby. Dale's Dobby is quite good, in 
my opinion.  I wonder how Fry will treat Winky in GoF.  I think that 
Dale does a superb job with his Winky.  If Fry's Winky is anyhting 
like his Dobby, I will be very disappointed.

I like Dale's Lucius Malfoy better than Fry's.  Dale's evocation of 
James Mason in his Lucius evokes in me visions of decadent luxury and 
a hint of evil. 

T.T.F.N.
> Haggridd
> New inductee into L.O.O.N (from about a couple of weeks ago)





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