Dumbledore/Moody-Crouch -- Hedwig -- Audio Versions -- Harry as Seer

Sat May 12 16:30:43 UTC 2001

No: HPFGUIDX 18619

Hi all --

Sorry -- I'm cleaning out my inbox, and while I'm not going to go back &
try to read through messages from the one week I missed entirely, I did
want to comment on a few things.

I see we seem to have had a thread going about how Moody-Crouch
hoodwinked Dumbledore for that entire school year.  I've been listening
to the GoF CDs while feeding Elizabeth, and I have a related question
for us to ponder.  We know from CoS that polyjuice potion does not give
the person who takes the potion the thoughts/mind/knowledge/memory of
the person whose appearance is taken on (that is, Harry & Ron look like
Crabbe & Goyle, but they still retain their own minds; they don't know
where to find the Slytherin common room, etc.).  So .... how exactly did
Crouch Jr. know enough about Moody to hoodwink Dumbledore for such an
extended period of time?  How would he have found out so much about him
& his quirks & personality traits?  Crouch Jr. was in Azkaban from the
time he was very young (19-20??) and was then a virtual prisoner in his
father's home.  Could he have gleaned enough from Daily Prophet articles
to form a good enough impression of Moody to fool *Dumbledore*?  This
starts to sound less & less plausible to me .....

HEDWIG -- I also noticed on a recent re-hearing of the audio versions
that Harry thinks to himself that there wasn't a speck of white in the
sea of owls flooding the Great Hall (when he is awaiting Sirius' first
letter back).  Is Hedwig the only *snowy* owl at Hogwarts?  Are the
snowy owls rare?  Eeylops advertises snowy owls on their sign outside
(see Diagon Alley chapter in PS/SS when Harry acquires Hedwig).  So, how
rare are they?

AUDIO VERSIONS: I enjoyed reading Hagridd's interpretation of the Fry
versus Dale versions (it was good to hear an American comparison of the
two).  It seems most of our British friends prefer Fry.  The Fry
versions are still on my wish-list but are pricey considering I already
own the tapes & CDs of all the Dale versions.  If Hagridd likes Fry's
Hermione better, I might have to acquire at least one version to see (I
hate Dale's interpretation of Hermione & am not fond of most of his
female characters).

HARRY AS SEER -- I really like Scott's theory while home sick that maybe
Harry's uniqueness comes from an ability to see how to defeat
Voldemort.  He would be the instrument (hence Voldy's desire to kill
him), but not necessarily the killer.  Interesting .....

Penny

fruitloophotty at aol.com wrote:

> Naama wrote:
> It's the "the butler did it!"
> kind of solution - pick the least likely character and make him the
> murderer. With no build up. That's what I call a mechanical
> solution, and since JKR is not given to that kind of plotting, I can
> only assume that she made this major plot change at a late stage,
> after a lot of (real) Moody stuff was already written."
>
> Amy responded:
> "This is where we will all just have to speculate until the
> publication  of the Rowling Notebooks(TM), but I'd bet Galleons to
> gherkins that Moody=Crouch was worked out long before book 4 was
> written.  It is a far-fetched solution because of the Dumbledore
> problem, but it's no more un-built-up-to than Quirrell's the bad guy,
> or Riddle's bad and  Ginny's opening the Chamber, or Sirius is good-
> Scabbers is Pettigrew-Lupin's a werewolf, IMO."
>
> --Hmm... Until I read all these recent messages, I never really
> noticed any
> problems with the Moody=Crouch theory. The main inconsistency we seem
> to have
> here is how Dumbledore wouldn't notice the switch. Wouldn't Dumbledore
> have
> been on his guard throughout the year, esp. since he even bothered to
> hire
> Moody in the first place? I recall Sirius saying something in a letter
> to
> Harry along the lines of, "...they're saying he(Dumbledore) got Moody
> out of
> retirement, which means he's reading the signs, even if no one else
> is." So,
> Dumbledore knew along something fishy was going on, and it just bugs
> me that
> he wouldn't keep an eye on Moody. And Crouch supposedly made the
> switch the
> night Moody reported someone prowling outside his house, right? I'm
> not
> really sure if that's right, but if so, you would think that his good
> friend
> Arthur Weasley would notice the change, if not Dumbledore.
>
> I'm still not sure which side I'm taking on this matter. There is
> still the
> possibility that no one would notice the switch. Do we know how close
> of a
> relationship Moody and Dumbledore had? Did they talk to each other on
> day-to-day basis? And as for knowing the real-Moody's personality
> traits,
> everyone knew he was extremely paranoid, so not-Moody could easily
> improvise
> on that trait, plus, as someone mentioned, he could always question
> real-Moody in the trunk. Oh my, what a run-on sentence. I really have
> no idea
> if any of this makes sense. It sure does in my head.
>
> --Connie, who managed to confuse herself utterly with this whole
> message.
>
>
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