Obliviation - Snape at 3rd task? at rebirthing? -CoS

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--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:

> Thanks for the explanation.  According to my timing, unless he were 
> deep inside the Forest, or outside Hogwarts in some location from 
> which he couldn't Apparate to Hogsmeade, he'd have plenty of time.  
> The other exception is if the Portkey did have a time-travel 
element, 
> so that Harry and Cedric reappeared at the edge of the maze 
> immediately after disappearing from the center.
> 
> (Also, it might take 15 minutes to run from the dungeons to the 
> Quidditch field, but there are other ways of communicating an 
> emergency, e.g. Dumbledore's silver bird (?) that he sends to 
Hagrid.)
> 
> David wrote:
> 
> >I thought that Snape flinching was evidence that
> >he was not at the DE scene - if he had been he would have known who
> >they were and that Harry could identify them.  The flinching might 
be
> >because Snape had hoped that Malfoy wouldn't go back to Voldemort -
> >maybe he cares about Draco.  Or are you suggesting that he didn't
> >want Harry to blurt what they both knew, or that he thought Harry 
was
> >about to finger *him*?

Amy Z wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's what I'm suggesting, but your suggestion is just as 
> probable.  As I said, my guess is Snape =wasn't= at the graveyard.  
> But listies have pointed out that since Voldemort doesn't identify 
> every DE there, he could have been.  I do confess myself morbidly 
> intrigued by the thought of Snape being undercover at this terrible 
> scene, watching helplessly as Harry and all their hopes seem to be 
on 
> the verge of destruction.
> 

Amy Z had made some good points on an earlier post but I don't 
remember which one it was so I'll just use this one. (I also hope I 
have the right names with the right quotes). 

It never entered my mind that Snape flinched because he was at the DE 
meeting. It's a good thought.  IF he were there he would be there 
with Dumbledore's approval.  It would surely be the plan.  I too 
would be intrigued by the thought of Snape being undercover at the 
scene.  However, there are two reasons why I think he wasn't.  If the 
plan between Snape and Dumbledore was for Snape to go back to 
Voldemort, then why the scene between Dumbledore and Snape where D. 
is asking Snape to go do something?  They both seem worried.  This 
would have to be Part 2 to their plan and it doesn't seem that way.  
Unless Snape was at the DE meeting without Dumbledore knowing and 
Snape doesn't want Harry to mention that. Or maybe Snape is surprised 
that Harry does know some of their names and Snape might be 
interested in knowing who they were.  The other reason I doubt he was 
there because supposedly JKR said the one who left forever was 
Snape.  I have never read that interview myself so I hesitate to 
always mention it.  

I am not so concerned about the time factor.  We are just assuming 
Snape would be walking or moving in the usual way.  Who is to say he 
can't do something else or there isn't some other way out of Hogwarts 
we don't know yet.  I also wonder if he would be making potions on 
such an important day.  Though he might not be walking around the 
hedges, I would think he would be where the action was in case of 
need. Unless there was a very important potion he had to make at the 
last minute.

I also don't think it would take anyone 15 minutes are so to find 
their way through the hedges. They could fly above the hedges on 
brooms.  Surely they are better prepared than just having to walk 
around the maze themselves.  They wouldn't be much help if someone 
was in serious trouble unless they could get to them quickly.

As far as communicating, there has to be ways they communicate with 
each other quickly.  That's a big castle and I can't imagine them 
just walking or running when an emergency arrives.  I'm sure we'll 
see that later in the books.  Oh, when will the next book ever come 
out!

Koinonia