[HPforGrownups] Re: Sirius vs Snape (WAS:Snape's and Black's grudges)

Tue Nov 6 01:01:57 UTC 2001

No: HPFGUIDX 28821

Susanna Luhtanen
s_luhtanen at hotmail.com

>From: Zarleycat at aol.com
>Reply-To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Sirius vs Snape (WAS:Snape's and Black's 
>grudges)
>Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:35:41 -0000
>
>--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Calypso8604 at a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/29/01 11:21:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > claire_iceprincess at y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Snape and Sirius are actually more alike than they'd
> > > care to admit, though.
> >
> > I have always thought that too! Both misunderstood, both bitter
>about
> > grudges....Oh, and when I read the description for Sirius the first
>time I
> > thought he looked a little like Snape! (NOTE: I said a *little*)
>
>At the risk of sounding like an idiot (not that this fear has ever
>stopped me before...) I'll repeat something I've said in previous
>posts - we will find out that the two are related.  I agree - the
>first two things that struck about these two is that they are both
>tall, slender and dark.  Plus, they have the same rhythmic pattern in
>their names.  My initial off-the-wall thought was that they are
>fraternal twins who were separated at birth.

I agree on them being relatives but not twins. I think they had same father 
and different mother. As mytheory is that Snape was the one born in marriage 
(The common father had lied to Sirius' mother) and, with all the prejudiced 
people - only Potters accepted the Blacks. Sirius' mother was bitter about 
the lying Snape, and um - had a thing about lies (have we ever seen Sirius 
lie? I don't recall such point... tell me if you find one) so that she 
raised Sirius to be unable to lie - or break his word. (Now can't remember 
him doing that either).

At school, Sirius meets his step-brother. With all the things he's heard 
from his lie-hating mother, he is quite non-disliking of Snape from the 
start. Sirius does break rules as much as Snape does - however, since he's 
also admitting his misdeeds at the slightest change of getting caught - he's 
mainly awarded for his honesty so that he's getting less penalty if any - 
than Snape. (And Snape hated /him/ for that! The other Mauraders as well).

With Lupin, I guess, Sirius does forgive him for the lies - never mind him 
being a werewolf. He agrees not to tell anyone that secret (but no one 
mentions about the secret passage and Whomping Willow being to kept secret, 
or where Lupin goes etc.). Then, at some point, Snape prompts them about 
Lupin's whereabouts - individually. He manages to break Sirius' evasiveness, 
so Sirius tells him about the secret corridor and Whomping Willow. Sirius 
tells James about it - and, James goes immediately to save Snape. Sirius 
also tells Peter - and Albus Dumbledore, before anyone asks him. In the end, 
Severus Snape is punished for breaking rules about going to the Forbidden 
Forest, while James Potter is rewarded for saving Snape.. (OK - here's the 
Curiosity is all right, but be careful part, and the exception on telling 
the truth...)

Sirius felt guilty - he hadn't actually worded the secret, but had almost 
broken it under pressure. He writes to his mother, who puts all blame on 
Snape. "He shouldn't have continued to ask after you'd let him know it 
wasn't a thing to tell" or something - but even in all his telling, Sirius 
never once mentions Lupin's secret...

Sirius joins to fight the Dark Wizards, along with his friends and finds out 
that Snape is a Death-eater... When it came time for Potter's to hide - 
James will trust none but Sirius (knowing his friend's childhood and past) - 
but Sirius can't trust himself to be able to keep the secret under pressure 
(and he's likely to get under pressure) - so he refuses and suggests 
Wormtail. Then, when Wormtail turns out to be the spy - Sirius gets 
guilt-stricken for not accepting the duty on himself. He blames Snape for 
causing him feel insecure about keeping secrets (and therefore, of Potter's 
death, his time in Azcaban etc. even though Wormtail gets most of his hate 
for that). In Azcaban, Sirius lives his worst moments again, most of them 
involving Snape...

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