[HPforGrownups] Dumbledore-Fudge confrontation in GoF

[Calypso8604 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 29056

For you first paragraph/question, the keyword is "RESPONSIBLE". Fusge didn't 
say he killed several people, only that he was responsible for several 
deaths. Which he was. 

It is very possible Fudge is a bad guy though I doubt that he killed anyone 
himself. Perhaps, if he *IS* evil, he just uses his powers as Minister to 
help Voldemort out. Or a theory I like better is that Fudge is not on the 
Dark Side....yet. 

~ Calypso


In a message dated 11/10/01 10:51:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
sherratt at mediaone.net writes:


> I was discussing with a friend a little spot in GoF that's bothered me 
> since I first read it.  During the confrontation in the infirmary, 
> Fudge is defending himself for having turned a Dementor on Barty 
> Crouch Jr., and says "It seems he has been responsible for several 
> deaths!"  Then Dumbledore retorts that now Crouch "cannot give 
> evidence about why he killed those people," and Fudge goes on 
> blustering about how it's because he was a raving lunatic.  But this 
> doesn't make sense to me.  In fact, Crouch is NOT responsible for 
> "several deaths" - he wasn't even present when Cedric was killed.  The 
> only person he personally killed was his father.  And Fudge wasn't 
> present at the interrogation, so he couldn't even know that. So what 
> is he talking about?  I can see him supposing that Crouch could be 
> responsible for Cedric's death, without knowing the details, but how 
> does this translate into "several"?
> 
> And the way Dumbledore is staring at Fudge during this conversation 
> makes me wonder if perhaps this is a trap of some kind.  Like one of 
> those Agatha Christie novels, where a suspect reveals something that 
> only the killer could know.  Is he realizing something about Fudge 
> here - does Fudge know something that he couldn't know unless he was 
> on Voldemort's side?  Dumbledore's remark that Crouch can't give 
> evidence about why he killed those people doesn't make sense, either - 
> Crouch already has given evidence under Veritaserum, and Dumbledore 
> knows everything about the deaths of Cedric and Crouch Sr.  Now, maybe 
> he doesn't want to admit this to Fudge, or maybe he just wants to see 
> what Fudge will say in response.  Anyway, I have a bad feeling about 
> Fudge.  Any ideas about this?
> 




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