[HPforGrownups] Re: Who SHOULD Die in OoP?

[SALeathem at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 27933

In a message dated 19/10/2001 18:39:16 GMT Daylight Time, 
dorothydch at yahoo.com writes:

<< Dumbledore will "die" just like Voldemort "died"
 Everything seems to be paralled. >>
 
Funny you should say that, cos when GoF was published last year, I'm *sure* I 
heard JKR say that Dumbledore dies in the next book (in one of the many CBBC 
TV appearances she made at the time). There were hints all over the end of 
GoF of his impending fate as well - plenty of detail being given of how Harry 
thinks he (Dumbledore) is looking so old and weary, and not his usual self in 
some way. I actually thought JKR had said that Dumbledore dies at the end of 
GoF but obviously, that didn't happen. So she must have meant Book 5. 

<< If the fifth book is called Order of the Phoenix then my theory 
 makes sense. 
 Why is Dumbledore the only wizard Voldemort is afraid of?
 Because he is unique in someway? >>
 
I think that Dumbledore is the only Wizard Voldemort really fears because 
Dumbledore has been proven to have the power to defeat dark wizards, he's 
just seemingly chosen not to in recent years for some reason (probably Harry) 
- written on his card that came with the chocolate frog - 

...particularly famous for his defeat of the Dark Wizard Grindelwald in 
1945... 


<< How?
 Just like the phoenix when dies it is reborn. Therefore, he will 
 always have the ultimate power. Only one phoenix lives at a time. It 
 dies and a new one rises from its ashes.
 Why is Voldemort obsessed with becoming immortal?
 Because Dumbledore is... kinda? In the same way that Draco is 
 obsessed with Harry...Draco wants to play Quidditch because Harry 
 does. >>
 
As for Draco's obsession with Harry, isn't it obvious? Lucius is a Death 
Eater, he was there in the circle with Voldemort at the end of GoF, Draco is 
Lucius' son. Harry is the boy that originally stripped Lucius' "master" of 
power. Draco's original wish to be friends with Harry was because he knew the 
history, and he knows how much of a coup that would be for the Dark side to 
have Harry on their side. He could have made life very easy for his father & 
Voldemort by gaining Harry's trust, but we know that all fell through. Draco 
is so obviously going to be a Death Eater like his father (he was in the 
woods - Quidditch world cup - cos being a death eater isn't exaclty something 
you want to scream from the roof tops while your leader isn't fully back in 
power, and you risk being caught and sent to Azkhaban. Makes sense that if 
Lucius was, and it's pretty likely he was - one of the Death Eaters torturing 
the muggles at the Quidditch World Cup, he would make sure that it looked 
like he wasn't really there at all, how? By making sure other members of his 
family are seen to be doing what everyone else is doing, in that case - 
running and hiding in the woods)

<< This can also explain Dumbledore's partnership with Flamel who is over 
 six hundred years old. He has been reborn a few times to keep up with 
 is old friend. >>

I'd never noticed that before, but good point. There's no mention of when 
Dumbledore and Flamel created the stone, but obviously if Flamel was over 600 
yeas old, then well... Dumbledores gotta be hiding some pretty special power. 
Bloody obvious when you think about it really eh? :o)

 << I still believe Harry is "put here on earth" by Dumbledore to stop 
 Voldement from achieving immortality.
 
 If Dumbledore "dies" there will be no one to guide the rest. All of 
 them will have to choose between what is "right" and what is "easy".
 
 This is a lesson he will teach all of them. Just a he has been 
 "teaching" Harry to choose the "right way".
 
 In PS Harry categorically announces "I will not go to the Dark Side".
 At the end of GoF Fudge can not even admit that Voldemort is back.
 
 However, as Voldemort died and return we should see the return of 
 Dumbledore. >>
 
But Voldemort didn't die. He was just stripped of his power and left as a 
wrecked, barely human form. The Curse didn't kill him. Once you're dead, 
you're dead. No form of magic can resurrect the dead, otherwise Dumbledore 
and others would have just set about resurrecting Lily & James and everyone 
else Voldemort killed, and their future task would be a lot easier. Plus, 
there'd be no reason to fear death, because you can just get one of your 
mates to resurrect you straight away. 

That's all I can think of now.
Sara