Who SHOULD Die in OoP?

[dorothydch at yahoo.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 27936

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., SALeathem at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 19/10/2001 18:39:16 GMT Daylight Time, 
> dorothydch at y... writes:
> 
Death here is a  metaphor(deep huh..)This is why I put it in qoutes. 

I see the use of parellels with a "rebirth" theme.

Voldemort "dies" in PS (yes, I know not really) he is then "reborn" 
GoF.

My prediction if that Dumbledore will "die" as Fawkes dies (hence the 
phoenix theme here) and will rise again for the ashes "rebirth"

Niether one has actually died (real death). However, Dumbledore 
will have a "natural" (he is a phoenix) rebirth 
While  Voldemort has an "unatural" (is was a potion/spell) "rebirth"

And we all know that "It is nice to fool mother nature"

I just keep seeing parallels all over the place.

Dorothy



> << Dumbledore will "die" just like Voldemort "died"
>  Everything seems to be paralled. >>
>  
> Funny you should say that, cos when GoF was published last year, I'm 
*sure* I 
> heard JKR say that Dumbledore dies in the next book (in one of the 
many CBBC 
> TV appearances she made at the time). There were hints all over the 
end of 
> GoF of his impending fate as well - plenty of detail being given of 
how Harry 
> thinks he (Dumbledore) is looking so old and weary, and not his 
usual self in 
> some way. I actually thought JKR had said that Dumbledore dies at 
the end of 
> GoF but obviously, that didn't happen. So she must have meant Book 
5. 
> 
> << If the fifth book is called Order of the Phoenix then my theory 
>  makes sense. 
>  Why is Dumbledore the only wizard Voldemort is afraid of?
>  Because he is unique in someway? >>
>  
> I think that Dumbledore is the only Wizard Voldemort really fears 
because 
> Dumbledore has been proven to have the power to defeat dark wizards, 
he's 
> just seemingly chosen not to in recent years for some reason 
(probably Harry) 
> - written on his card that came with the chocolate frog - 
> 
> ...particularly famous for his defeat of the Dark Wizard Grindelwald 
in 
> 1945... 
> 
> 
> << How?
>  Just like the phoenix when dies it is reborn. Therefore, he will 
>  always have the ultimate power. Only one phoenix lives at a time. 
It 
>  dies and a new one rises from its ashes.
>  Why is Voldemort obsessed with becoming immortal?
>  Because Dumbledore is... kinda? In the same way that Draco is 
>  obsessed with Harry...Draco wants to play Quidditch because Harry 
>  does. >>
>  
> As for Draco's obsession with Harry, isn't it obvious? Lucius is a 
Death 
> Eater, he was there in the circle with Voldemort at the end of GoF, 
Draco is 
> Lucius' son. Harry is the boy that originally stripped Lucius' 
"master" of 
> power. Draco's original wish to be friends with Harry was because he 
knew the 
> history, and he knows how much of a coup that would be for the Dark 
side to 
> have Harry on their side. He could have made life very easy for his 
father & 
> Voldemort by gaining Harry's trust, but we know that all fell 
through. Draco 
> is so obviously going to be a Death Eater like his father (he was in 
the 
> woods - Quidditch world cup - cos being a death eater isn't exaclty 
something 
> you want to scream from the roof tops while your leader isn't fully 
back in 
> power, and you risk being caught and sent to Azkhaban. Makes sense 
that if 
> Lucius was, and it's pretty likely he was - one of the Death Eaters 
torturing 
> the muggles at the Quidditch World Cup, he would make sure that it 
looked 
> like he wasn't really there at all, how? By making sure other 
members of his 
> family are seen to be doing what everyone else is doing, in that 
case - 
> running and hiding in the woods)
> 
> << This can also explain Dumbledore's partnership with Flamel who is 
over 
>  six hundred years old. He has been reborn a few times to keep up 
with 
>  is old friend. >>
> 
> I'd never noticed that before, but good point. There's no mention of 
when 
> Dumbledore and Flamel created the stone, but obviously if Flamel was 
over 600 
> yeas old, then well... Dumbledores gotta be hiding some pretty 
special power. 
> Bloody obvious when you think about it really eh? :o)
> 
>  << I still believe Harry is "put here on earth" by Dumbledore to 
stop 
>  Voldement from achieving immortality.
>  
>  If Dumbledore "dies" there will be no one to guide the rest. All of 
>  them will have to choose between what is "right" and what is 
"easy".
>  
>  This is a lesson he will teach all of them. Just a he has been 
>  "teaching" Harry to choose the "right way".
>  
>  In PS Harry categorically announces "I will not go to the Dark 
Side".
>  At the end of GoF Fudge can not even admit that Voldemort is back.
>  
>  However, as Voldemort died and return we should see the return of 
>  Dumbledore. >>
>  
> But Voldemort didn't die. He was just stripped of his power and left 
as a 
> wrecked, barely human form. The Curse didn't kill him. Once you're 
dead, 
> you're dead. No form of magic can resurrect the dead, otherwise 
Dumbledore 
> and others would have just set about resurrecting Lily & James and 
everyone 
> else Voldemort killed, and their future task would be a lot easier. 
Plus, 
> there'd be no reason to fear death, because you can just get one of 
your 
> mates to resurrect you straight away. 
> 
> That's all I can think of now.
> Sara