[HPforGrownups] Re: Resisting The Imperious Curse

Fri Oct 19 21:06:57 UTC 2001

No: HPFGUIDX 27957

The initiative may be more important than the power because for Voldy making 
Harry bow to him was fun and games. However resisting this was very vital to 
Harry.Perhaps since Harry cared more about the situation he managed to hold 
it of some?So perhaps this theory PLUS Cindy's theory would make sense? From 
Andrea (newmember)

>From: scott chatten <sabin_oo7 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Resisting The Imperious Curse
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:04:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have a little bit of a problem with that. Granted
>that Crouch Jr. Was weaker than his father. He does
>say something that strikes me. In GOF (the
>unforgivable curses) page 217 he says after casting
>the killing curse.
>
>"Avada Dedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of
>mayic behind it --- you could all get your wands out
>now and point them at me and say the words, and i
>doubt i'd get so much as a nosebleed."
>
>This says to me gee scott this guy must be pretty
>powerful to be able to cast an unblockable curse that
>kills on target. Much less get Viktor Krum (a seventh
>year from a school which concentrates heavily on the
>dark arts) to fall to the imperius curse and then cast
>the cruciatus curse on a fellow student (i firmly
>believe that krum was trying to fight that hard).
>Based on this fact i dont think that the imperius
>curse is something that can just be routinely cast by
>a wizard of diminished power of any sort. Simply
>because the battle of minds that the caster has to
>employ would be no small thing. (although JKR never
>gives us a look at the imperius curse from the casters
>point of view) and there for it still stands. Why
>wouldn't young mr. crouch be just a little more
>apprehensive about the fact the harry could fight it
>the very first time it was cast on him. You would
>think that after his master's downfall that the death
>eaters and their master would be just a little more
>cautious about their actions. (and weaknesses) I think
>the dark lord hasn't exactly done his homework.
>
>
>Scott
>--- "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at home.com> wrote:
> > Scott wrote:
> > > what i amd wondering in concern to the whole
> > ordeal is
> > > not only why you young Mr. Crouch gave the
> > practice to
> > > Harry but also why is it that he didn't let
> > > he-who-must-not-be-named know of the threat?
> >
> > Lucy wrote:>
> >
> > > > The thing that really gets me, is WHY does
> > > > Crouch/Moody teach Harry how to throw off the
> > > > Imperious Curse? He already knows Harry is very
> > > > unusual, and plans to give him to Voldemort to
> > kill,
> > > > so why on earth does he give him all that extra
> > > > practice in that class to give Harry another
> > weapon
> > > > to use???
> > > >
> >
> > Hi Scott and Lucy,
> >
> > At the very real risk that this has been discussed
> > before, I had a
> > thought.  I have always thought the reason
> > Crouch/Moody teaches Harry
> > how to resist the Imperio curse is because
> > Dumbledore asked him to,
> > or he thinks he needs to do it to stay "in
> > character."  I also
> > figured that Crouch/Moody wouldn't bother to tell
> > Voldemort because
> > Imperio isn't a crucial component of Voldemort's
> > plan to kill Harry.
> >
> > But how about this theory instead?  Maybe the
> > Imperio Curse is only
> > as strong as the wizard casting it.  If so, then
> > Crouch/Moody
> > wouldn't need to worry about teaching Harry how to
> > throw it off or
> > worry about telling Voldemort.  Voldemort is much
> > more powerful than
> > Crouch/Moody, so even if Harry can resist
> > Crouch/Moody's Imperio,
> > Harry won't necessarily stand a chance of resisting
> > Voldemort's
> > Imperio.  Should the day ever come (as it did) that
> > Voldemort would
> > need to put Harry under the Imperio Curse, then the
> > training Harry
> > received from Crouch/Moody still wouldn't be a
> > threat to Voldemort.
> > So there'd be no reason for Crouch/Moody even to
> > tell Voldemort about
> > the training, as it is unimportant.
> >
> > There is a teaspoon of canon to support this idea
> > that the Imperio
> > curse is only as strong as the wizard casting it.
> > Presumably,
> > Wormtail places Crouch Sr. under the Imperius Curse,
> > and Crouch Sr.
> > is able to throw it off, and we know Wormtail is a
> > "talentless thing"
> > (according to Sirius).  Also, we are told by
> > Karkarov that
> > Mulciber "specializes" in the Imperius Curse, which
> > suggests that
> > there is some benefit from having your Imperius
> > specialist place the
> > curse on someone rather than having someone less
> > skilled or powerful
> > do it.
> >
> > Also, consider how long it takes various wizards to
> > cast off the
> > Imperius curse cast by various wizards.  Crouch Sr.
> > (powerful wizard)
> > is able to cast off Wormtail's (talentless wizard)
> > Imperius Curse in
> > a few months.  Crouch Jr. (competent wizard) takes
> > years to throw off
> > Crouch Sr.'s (powerful wizard) Imperius curse.
> > Crouch Jr. (competent
> > wizard) doesn't take chances and rely only on the
> > Imperius curse to
> > control the real Moody (powerful wizard); he stuns
> > him too.
> >
> > Of course, if this theory holds, then it is proof
> > positive that Harry
> > is stronger than Voldemort, because he threw off
> > Voldemort's Imperius
> > curse in seconds.
> >
> > Does this theory add up?
> >
> > Cindy (as Bagman would say, "this should shorten the
> > odds on Mr.
> > Potter")
> >
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