[HPforGrownups] Re: Resisting The Imperious Curse

[scott chatten]

No: HPFGUIDX 27976

you may be right but i am still not sure i think that
magic is magic reguardless of the caster. i think that
the strength that matters is the strength of the
subject. 
--- andrea mcpherson talia chambers
<dumbledore94 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The initiative may be more important than the power
> because for Voldy making 
> Harry bow to him was fun and games. However
> resisting this was very vital to 
> Harry.Perhaps since Harry cared more about the
> situation he managed to hold 
> it of some?So perhaps this theory PLUS Cindy's
> theory would make sense? From 
> Andrea (newmember)
> 
> 
> >From: scott chatten <sabin_oo7 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
> >To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Resisting The
> Imperious Curse
> >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:04:57 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I have a little bit of a problem with that. Granted
> >that Crouch Jr. Was weaker than his father. He does
> >say something that strikes me. In GOF (the
> >unforgivable curses) page 217 he says after casting
> >the killing curse.
> >
> >"Avada Dedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit
> of
> >mayic behind it --- you could all get your wands
> out
> >now and point them at me and say the words, and i
> >doubt i'd get so much as a nosebleed."
> >
> >This says to me gee scott this guy must be pretty
> >powerful to be able to cast an unblockable curse
> that
> >kills on target. Much less get Viktor Krum (a
> seventh
> >year from a school which concentrates heavily on
> the
> >dark arts) to fall to the imperius curse and then
> cast
> >the cruciatus curse on a fellow student (i firmly
> >believe that krum was trying to fight that hard).
> >Based on this fact i dont think that the imperius
> >curse is something that can just be routinely cast
> by
> >a wizard of diminished power of any sort. Simply
> >because the battle of minds that the caster has to
> >employ would be no small thing. (although JKR never
> >gives us a look at the imperius curse from the
> casters
> >point of view) and there for it still stands. Why
> >wouldn't young mr. crouch be just a little more
> >apprehensive about the fact the harry could fight
> it
> >the very first time it was cast on him. You would
> >think that after his master's downfall that the
> death
> >eaters and their master would be just a little more
> >cautious about their actions. (and weaknesses) I
> think
> >the dark lord hasn't exactly done his homework.
> >
> >
> >Scott
> >--- "Cindy C." <cynthiaanncoe at home.com> wrote:
> > > Scott wrote:
> > > > what i amd wondering in concern to the whole
> > > ordeal is
> > > > not only why you young Mr. Crouch gave the
> > > practice to
> > > > Harry but also why is it that he didn't let
> > > > he-who-must-not-be-named know of the threat?
> > >
> > > Lucy wrote:>
> > >
> > > > > The thing that really gets me, is WHY does
> > > > > Crouch/Moody teach Harry how to throw off
> the
> > > > > Imperious Curse? He already knows Harry is
> very
> > > > > unusual, and plans to give him to Voldemort
> to
> > > kill,
> > > > > so why on earth does he give him all that
> extra
> > > > > practice in that class to give Harry another
> > > weapon
> > > > > to use???
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Scott and Lucy,
> > >
> > > At the very real risk that this has been
> discussed
> > > before, I had a
> > > thought.  I have always thought the reason
> > > Crouch/Moody teaches Harry
> > > how to resist the Imperio curse is because
> > > Dumbledore asked him to,
> > > or he thinks he needs to do it to stay "in
> > > character."  I also
> > > figured that Crouch/Moody wouldn't bother to
> tell
> > > Voldemort because
> > > Imperio isn't a crucial component of Voldemort's
> > > plan to kill Harry.
> > >
> > > But how about this theory instead?  Maybe the
> > > Imperio Curse is only
> > > as strong as the wizard casting it.  If so, then
> > > Crouch/Moody
> > > wouldn't need to worry about teaching Harry how
> to
> > > throw it off or
> > > worry about telling Voldemort.  Voldemort is
> much
> > > more powerful than
> > > Crouch/Moody, so even if Harry can resist
> > > Crouch/Moody's Imperio,
> > > Harry won't necessarily stand a chance of
> resisting
> > > Voldemort's
> > > Imperio.  Should the day ever come (as it did)
> that
> > > Voldemort would
> > > need to put Harry under the Imperio Curse, then
> the
> > > training Harry
> > > received from Crouch/Moody still wouldn't be a
> > > threat to Voldemort.
> > > So there'd be no reason for Crouch/Moody even to
> > > tell Voldemort about
> > > the training, as it is unimportant.
> > >
> > > There is a teaspoon of canon to support this
> idea
> > > that the Imperio
> > > curse is only as strong as the wizard casting
> it.
> > > Presumably,
> > > Wormtail places Crouch Sr. under the Imperius
> Curse,
> > > and Crouch Sr.
> > > is able to throw it off, and we know Wormtail is
> a
> > > "talentless thing"
> > > (according to Sirius).  Also, we are told by
> > > Karkarov that
> > > Mulciber "specializes" in the Imperius Curse,
> which
> > > suggests that
> > > there is some benefit from having your Imperius
> > > specialist place the
> > > curse on someone rather than having someone less
> > > skilled or powerful
> > > do it.
> > >
> > > Also, consider how long it takes various wizards
> to
> > > cast off the
> > > Imperius curse cast by various wizards.  Crouch
> Sr.
> > > (powerful wizard)
> > > is able to cast off Wormtail's (talentless
> wizard)
> > > Imperius Curse in
> > > a few months.  Crouch Jr. (competent wizard)
> takes
> > > years to throw off
> > > Crouch Sr.'s (powerful wizard) Imperius curse.
> > > Crouch Jr. (competent
> > > wizard) doesn't take chances and rely only on
> the
> > > Imperius curse to
> > > control the real Moody (powerful wizard); he
> stuns
> > > him too.
> > >
> > > Of course, if this theory holds, then it is
> proof
> > > positive that Harry
> > > is stronger than Voldemort, because he threw off
> > > Voldemort's Imperius
> > > curse in seconds.
> > >
> > > Does this theory add up?
> > >
> > > Cindy (as Bagman would say, "this should shorten
> the
> > > odds on Mr.
> > > Potter")
> > >
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> > > "I say to you all, once again--in the light of
> Lord
> > > Voldemort's return, we are only as strong as we
> are
> 
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