Crouch Sr/Jr + WW + DE's mark

grey_wolf_c greywolf1 at jazzfree.com
Thu Apr 11 14:36:53 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 37712

Silvercat wrote:
> But was it really a war? How big of a group was the DEs?  It seemed
> more like a sinister conspiracy to me.

Wars involve some sort of big confrontation, like two armies facing 
each other, or invasion by numbers. Voldemort's Reign of Terror is 
exactly what's implied in it's name: terrorism, trying to take over a 
country by frightening everyone into submission.

> Although if they formed the
> Aurors just to fight the DEs, it could be considered a very big deal. 
> I can't really think of a good comparision...  Apparently the WW
> tries to take the moral highroad.  After all, death is very, very
> permament.  You can't get information from a corpse.  You can't  
> rehabilitate a corpse.And (for the more upset people) you can't
> punish a corpse.

Appart of the fact that being made a corpse is, in essence, a form of 
punishment (or so is believed in some countries; I don't think so). A 
possible example of the Aurors vs. DeathEaters similarity is North 
Ireland's terrorism problem, and the way the English goverment tried to 
solution it: by going in with the army. The trouble is that the motives 
of one and another are not comparable, but the situation is (more or 
less) the same.

> What if Crouch is confused at that point and mistaking Percy for
> someone else?  A former assistant or something.  One would expect Mr.
> Weasley to say something, but he can't know *everyone* in the MoM. 
> It's foreshadowing for the later scenes.

I don't think that Crouch Sr. is confused at that point. More probably, 
he gets Percy's name wrong the first time and Percy never corrects him 
(he is to awed of his authority), so Crouch really believes he's 
getting it right.

> Petra wrote:
> > It's possible that the short time he spent in Azkaban was enough to 
> > complete (if not begin)  his "going over to the dark side" since 
> > there's certainly nothing holding him back - his mother was no Lily 
> > Potter and his father has disowned him.  It'd be an interesting bit 
> > of self-fulfilling prophecy, so to speak.  Imprison the not 
> > entirely innocent and he transforms into what he was accused of 
> > being.  This could also support Voldemort as a father substitute.
> 
> Ew.  I don't think *anyone* could consider Voldemort a father, of any
> type.

But, even it IS "ewww", Crouch Jr. DOES find Voldemort a father 
substitute: in the final chapters of GoF he rambles on how alike they 
both are: despised by their real fathers, etc. Jr. definetely looks up 
to V and strives to be like him, in a very father-son way.

> On the whole Dark Mark thing, I think it was a very unwise idea of
> Voldemort's.  I mean, brand everyone so anyone can see?  When you and
> your group are being hunted down?  Very, very arrogant and
> overconfidant (which about sums him up).

I agree is pretty overconfident and arrogant, but the mark fades away 
when it is not in use, and it serves another purpose: it's difficult 
for someone to try to leave Voldemort's service once he's in, since the 
excuse "I was controlled" is difficult to swallow when you've got the 
mark in your arm (which only true DEs, I think, carry). Malfoy et co. 
were able to get away with it because, when V was nearlly killed, the 
mark faded.

> Silvercat / Phoenix - 
> 
> So what do you need? Besides a miracle.
> Guns. Lots of guns.
> -Tank and Neo, Matrix 

Welcome to the posting world, Silvercat (sorry, I couldn't resist). 
Good sig, by the way, but I prefer:

"Only try to realise the truth"
"What truth?"
"There is no spoon"
- Potential and Neo, Matrix

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf






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