[HPforGrownups] Re: Crouch Sr/Jr + WW + DE's mark

[Silvercat]

No: HPFGUIDX 37742

grey_wolf_c wrote:
> 
> Silvercat wrote:
> > But was it really a war? How big of a group was the DEs?  It seemed
> > more like a sinister conspiracy to me.

grey_wolf_c wrote:
> Wars involve some sort of big confrontation, like two armies facing
> each other, or invasion by numbers. Voldemort's Reign of Terror is
> exactly what's implied in it's name: terrorism, trying to take over a
> country by frightening everyone into submission.

I thought of that, I just couldn't think of a good example (outside of
Star Trek and I don't need to scare any more non-Trekkies).  I agree
with you, it's not a war.

> > Although if they formed the
> > Aurors just to fight the DEs, it could be considered a very big deal.
> > I can't really think of a good comparision...  Apparently the WW
> > tries to take the moral highroad.  After all, death is very, very
> > permament.  You can't get information from a corpse.  You can't
> > rehabilitate a corpse.And (for the more upset people) you can't
> > punish a corpse.

grey_wolf_c wrote:
> Appart of the fact that being made a corpse is, in essence, a form of
> punishment (or so is believed in some countries; I don't think so).

I'm thinking of the people who think 'death is too good for them.' 
Death is quick and can only be done once (at least it seems to be that
way in HP, some other stuff, OTOH...).  Compare being killed to being
driven insane (like the Longbottoms).  Would killing the DE be fair
punishment?  Some people might not think so. (which is why governments
are supposed to be in control of that, to prevent vengenence, but I
digress...)

grey_wolf_c wrote:
> A possible example of the Aurors vs. DeathEaters similarity is North
> Ireland's terrorism problem, and the way the English goverment tried to
> solution it: by going in with the army. The trouble is that the motives
> of one and another are not comparable, but the situation is (more or
> less) the same.

I'm afraid to say, I'm not very familiar with that situation (living in
the US and all...).  How big of a group are the Aurors?  If they have
the kind of power that Moody was describing, they would have to be very
carefully selected to prevent abuse.

> > What if Crouch is confused at that point and mistaking Percy for
> > someone else?  A former assistant or something.  One would expect Mr.
> > Weasley to say something, but he can't know *everyone* in the MoM.
> > It's foreshadowing for the later scenes.
> 
> I don't think that Crouch Sr. is confused at that point. More probably,
> he gets Percy's name wrong the first time and Percy never corrects him
> (he is to awed of his authority), so Crouch really believes he's
> getting it right.

Well I did only read it once... It's a pet theory! There's not supposed
to be proof! 
=^.^=  I still say it's possible.

grey_wolf_c wrote:
> But, even it IS "ewww", Crouch Jr. DOES find Voldemort a father
> substitute: in the final chapters of GoF he rambles on how alike they
> both are: despised by their real fathers, etc. Jr. definetely looks up
> to V and strives to be like him, in a very father-son way.

EWWWWWWWW!!!

> > So what do you need? Besides a miracle.
> > Guns. Lots of guns.
> > -Tank and Neo, Matrix
> 
> Welcome to the posting world, Silvercat (sorry, I couldn't resist).
> Good sig, by the way, but I prefer:
> 
> "Only try to realise the truth"
> "What truth?"
> "There is no spoon"
> - Potential and Neo, Matrix

I've got that on the side of my computer.

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