[HPforGrownups] Re: Eagle Owl /WW name trends

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No: HPFGUIDX 37825

Porphyria:
> True, and a I think we can safely assume that neither Draco nor Lucius 
> was in league with Voldemort at this point in GoF; Voldemort speaks to 
> Lucius in the graveyard scene as if they haven't communicated since 
> before LV's downfall. The eagle owl could have been Crouch Jr.'s and I 
> do like the idea that 'aristocratic' pureblood DE's might make a habit 
> of using eagle owls. But it does seem that there are only a finite 
> number of owl types that get used as couriers, so there's bound to be 
> some overlap in the series.

The latter is probably true, however JKR is not in the habit of putting in 
descriptive little scenes which have nothing to do with the plot, so I think 
there has to be some significance to it. Whether it is a Malfoy connection is 
hard to say, but I think we must be meant to associate it with the one Harry 
rides in his dream. Harry's dreams seem to be visions, don't they? I think we 
can assume that it *was* an eagle owl that delivered the news of Crouch Sr's 
death. (I also wonder as an aside if there's a significance to it being noted 
over Hagrid's plot where he's burying the gold, the plot later used by Crouch 
Jr to bury the bone which was his father, although I suspect she's using one 
scene to draw attention to several points).

What you say about Lucius is true and there was obviously no love lost 
between him and Crouch Jr (at least from the latter's side). But this doesn't 
mean that the Malfoys didn't know anything about the plot. No, Grey Wolf, I 
know there isn't canon, but I don't think there's canon excluding it either. 
Malfoy's a pretty big cheese. I suspect that he have ways of finding things 
out. The fact that Crouch Jr both hated his guts and was in a favoured 
position with Voldemort might put him into quite a difficult situation. We 
don't know that *they* were not in communication or that Crouch Jr was not 
exploiting his advantage,  The bouncing ferret episode may not just have been 
a warning to Draco, or yet another of those occasions when he's telling us in 
a veiled form what he's up to. It may have been an overt message to Lucius: 
'Co-operate with me, or else.' 

Grey Wolf:
> > (I should remind everyone in the list that we do
> > not, in fact, know for certain that Draco's father was a DE: there
> > could be another Malfoy - and a Crabbe and a Goyle too. No, I too
> > believe that they're guilty, but Harry didn't *really* see their
> > faces).


If I'm ever on trial, Grey Wolf, I sure hope you're on the jury. :-)

Porphyria:

> Is it just me or would anyone else love it if in some future book 
> Vincent Crabbe hauls himself into Snape's office and says "You know 
> Professor, my parents really want me to get involved with this Death 
> Eater thing, but I've been thinking a lot about it lately, and I don't 
> know...it just seems *morally wrong* somehow."

Lol! 
Crabbe, think? 
I've just realised that Vincent Crabbe and Gregory Goyle are both have 
saints' names. How delightfully inappropriate.

........................

Dicentra quotes me:

>> I'm rather simplistic when it comes to these name things. Can't we just 
>> accept that Sirius Black = black dog, thus giving the alert reader
>>the clue 
>> as to who the black dog Harry keeps seeing really is?


>Well, yes.  That would be the most logical reason.  And if you ask JKR
>why the name Sirius, I don't think she'd go any farther than your
>explanation.  But...

>::draws herself up, lower lip trembling::

>...I was trained in Literary Theory, and it is therefore my sworn duty
>to wrest the text from the author's control and squeeze any and all
>Meaning out of the text, no matter how distorted or far-fetched or
>cock-eyed it may be. 

>::sniff::

>And besides, it's more fun this way.

Fair enough. I didn't mean to try to spoil your fun, honest! :-) It's just 
that I'm blessed/cursed with a very literal turn of mind which means that I 
often see the funny side of things which are quite serious, but on the other 
hand <hangs head> on occasions like this it makes me a horrid kill-joy. I'll 
work on it.

Eloise, who's very glad she proof-read this as she'd inadvertently given 
Lucius a massage instead of a message. (And is very glad *that* wasn't 
literal!)


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