Voldemort Recruiting Harry

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No: HPFGUIDX 38044

> > Tex said:
> > > My gues is that when he gets a "clean" shot at Harry, the AK 
> > > will reflect back on him, as it did in Godrick's Hollow.  
> > > Voldemort tells his death-eaters that he became less than a 
> > > ghost.  What might be less than a ghost? Perhaps those shadows 
> > > that fly out of a wand in a PI?  SO, how to get rid of 
> > > Voldemort once and for all, once he is in that that shadow 
> > > state?  Would a Delitrius spell do it?

What on earth is a Delitrius spell?  I don't believe that's in any 
of the books.  Voldemort isn't said to be less than a ghost, he is 
said to be "less than spirit."  We might associate a spirit with a 
ghost, but I suspect it is a technical term the definition of which 
has not been made clear by JKR.  And there is no evidence that an 
Avada Kedavra spell would behave any differently from any other 
spell were Voldemort to cast it on Harry; he had absolutely no 
problem putting the Cruciatus Curse on him, after all, once he had 
used some of Harry's blood to regain his body.

I don't believe it was possible to completely rid the world of 
Voldemort when he was in his shadow state because there wasn't 
enough of him for a spell to act upon.  The shadows that flew out of 
the wand were echoes of spells, and they eventually faded; Voldemort 
didn't fade, he simply existed in a less-than-corporeal state until 
he had gained enough strength from possessing other creatures (like 
snakes and small rodents and Quirrell) and drinking unicorn blood 
and snake venom to take on that ugly-baby-form Harry saw.

Is it possible I am to blame for this thread, due to my Voldemort-
trying-to-recruit-Harry plotline in HP & the Psychic Serpent?  If 
so, I think my speculation-as-fanfic has been slightly 
misunderstood.  To separate it from my writing, I was speculating 
that Voldemort might try to recruit Harry not to actually have him 
on his side, but to get him to lower his guard (keep your friends 
close and your enemies closer, as they say).  

I know JKR said Harry wouldn't be tempted to become a dark wizard; 
that's not a relevant argument here.  Voldemort doesn't read JKR 
interviews. <g>  The question wasn't whether Voldemort would SUCCEED 
in recruiting Harry, the question was whether he would TRY.  I don't 
believe that Voldemort thinks that Harry has or had any great power 
(it's a good point that he gave him a wand to duel--although, 
remember, that was after he believed he took away Harry's one 
protection).  I do believe that Voldemort was under the impression 
that Harry would someday do something to lead to Voldemort's 
downfall.  When Trelawney makes the prediction about Wormtail 
returning to his master in PoA, Dumbledore later calls it her second 
correct prediction.  I believe (and I'm hardly alone here) that 
Trelawney predicted Voldemort's first fall from power, and 
attributed it to Harry.

The way I see the sequence of events is this: Trelawney predicts 
Voldemort's fall and attributes it to Harry (or possibly to a 
Potter, which might be why James was killed and why Voldemort wasn't 
necessarily there to kill Lily, a Potter-by-marriage).  Voldemort 
assumes it would naturally not be possible until Harry is older and 
so he goes to Godric's Hollow to nip the problem in the bud.  He 
kills James easily and figures the next step is to kill Harry and 
his night's work is done.  But Lily gets in the way and Harry is 
protected by her sacrifice, causing the curse to rebound upon 
Voldemort.  

Also, in trying to kill a baby with no inherently special powers 
except the usual magical ability of your average wizard, Voldemort 
ironically transfers some of his own powers to Harry (Parseltongue 
is the only one we know of, but I suspect there's more) making him a 
more formidable opponent once he has further magical education and 
learns to draw on these powers.  (Perhaps this is the reason he's 
able to conjure a Patronus as a thirteen-year-old and why he can 
almost immediately overcome the Imperius Curse as a fourteen-year-
old.)  It is a time-honored device to have someone trying to avert 
an event and causing it to happen by so doing.  (See the myth of 
Oedipus.)

> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., Lanabana at a... wrote:>
> > Going on this theory, I still think that Voldemort being immortal
> > wouldn't be able to be properly destroyed.  But, couldn't 
> > they "capture" him somehow and permentantly seal him 
> > somewhere??  It is only a thought but it is a possibility...

Um, is Voldemort a genie now?  Besides, the question is moot now 
that he has his body back.  However, he isn't as powerful as he was 
before.  He spoke of having gone further toward immortality than 
anyone else, which is JKR's way of explaining why the rebounding 
spell didn't kill him.  Hypothetically, in his current average-
wizard state, if he killed someone who was protecting someone else, 
as Lily was, and then tried to kill the person that was being 
protected, it's possible that the spell could rebound off that 
person and really finish him off for good.  Which means he probably 
won't try this.  The question is, how quickly will he be able to 
build up his strength again?  He's done it before, so he knows the 
ropes.  I suspect he will lie low for a while while he engages in 
numerous magical experiments to regain what he lost.

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "tex23236" <jbryson at r...> wrote:>
> That may be.  The theory I was going on is that Voldemort *is*
> Grindlewald, Having taken over Tom Riddle's body when Riddle
> went to him (a' la Quirrel).  I think that would jibe with a lot of
> mythology -- a permant, pervasive evil that goes on and on.

Now this is an interesting theory.  If it's been posted before, I 
missed it.  We know that Grindelwald fell in 1945, due to the 
actions of Dumbledore (although we don't know what those actions 
were).  Note that the term used on Dumbledore's Famous Wizards card 
is "fall."  He isn't said to have KILLED Grindelwald.  And by most 
folks' calculations, Tom Riddle was born in 1927 and would therefore 
be finishing his seventh year at Hogwarts (as Head Boy) in 1945.  
Could he have convinced Dumbledore to take him along to help defeat 
Grindelwald?  Could he have somehow given the defeated dark wizard a 
vessel in which to place his power?  I will definitely be on the 
lookout for more Grindelwald references in future books.

> It would open the door to future books, though, e.g.
> if Voldemort takes Draco's body and sesquicentenial Snape has
> to fight him in 2115.  JKR might not want to do that.

Now, this is doubtful.  I can see Draco doing something that he 
thinks will help Voldemort and inadvertantly helping the good guys 
(while I don't think he'll really be rehabilitated, I think he could 
unwillingly do something helpful, which would really irk him, to put 
it lightly).  I don't see him being a very successful dark wizard, 
however; we've already seen how imprudent he is.  His own father has 
to remind him to maintain a facade, to not say bad things about 
Harry in public.  Lucius Malfoy, OTOH, I wouldn't trust as far as I 
could throw him.  And JKR's only writing about Harry through the end 
of his seventh year anyway.   

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