Ancient Magic/Gleam/Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 42291

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "tjbailey24" <hunibuni22 at w...> wrote:
> I have a few small statements that I'd like to bring up and more
> than likely, it has already been discussed, mulled over and 
> refined, but I feel the need  to put these out there.  :)
>

Tara First Comment:
 
> First of all, I really enjoy the idea of Lily using ancient magic
with the help of Dumbledore to protect Harry "just in case".  And I
feel it only makes sense that she had to sacrafice her own life in
order for the spell to work.  Especially since Ollivander pointed out
in SS that her wand was excellent for *charms*.  Seems like JKR was
giving a little hint right there, IMO. 
> 

BBOY_MN Responds:
Why does it need to be anything more that the pure power of the pure
essense of love? Isn't the power of a selfless act of love enough to
give Harry the protection he needs? You have to admit that love is
powerful force; people live for it, they die for it, they kill for it,
kings and queens give up the throne for love, people are healed by
love, spirits are renewed, tormented souls are made whole again. If
you are of Christian belief, then the sins of the entire world for all
time were redeemed by a single selfless act of love. You're more than
welcome to your theory, but as far as I'm concerned, to be marked by
such pure powerful selfless love if more than enough power to save Harry. 

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Tara 2nd Comment:
PART 1:
> Secondly, the "it wuz Snape" theory is also quite interesting and it
certainly does bring in the point of Lupin looking surprised when
Harry said he heard his fathers voice.  

BBOY_MN Responds:
His 'look' isn't described as 'surprised'; it's a 'strange' look. To
which Harry replies, 'Why - did you know my father?'. No indication
that Lupin look was one of disbelief or shock. Harry obviously took it
a look of recognition. James was Remus best friend, and Harry just
said he heard James voice. I think that would bring a strange look to
anyone's face. 

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Tara 2nd Comment:
PART 2:
However, wouldn't he be able to recognize Snape's voice? 

 ***I also think that the reason that everyone knew where to go after
Voldemort attacked the Potters is that the charm must have been
broken**** 

when Peter told Voldemort where they were hiding.  He was the
*secret-keeper* and he told, so therefore its no longer a secret to
anyone.  Perhaps he told Voldemort in front of some D.E.?  That could
be how Snape found out.  Then he, being spy, would go to the aid of
the Potters.  Thusly, that being why Dumbledore said in GoF (Harry was
viewing the penseive, Dumbledore at Karkoroff's trial, I believe),
"...Snape has already proved himself", and thats why he was not
*punished* for being a death eater.  However, I do realize that it is
also mentioned that Snape went over on the good side before the fall
of the Potters (yet I believe, the saving them, was the *proof*). 

BBOY_MN Responds:
RE: How did people know or find out that the event had taken place?
If one of the houses on your block blew up, do you think the neighbors
would notice? This was the Potter's house; this seems to be a known
fact, although not clearly estabished. What is not known is that the
Potter's were living there at the time. So when the villagers heard
the Potter's house blow up, and saw it demonished, I'm sure a flurry
of owls went flying, not to mention a flurry of people apparating to
tell someone. This would certainly be done regardless of whether
people thought the Potter's were inside. Considering that this was a
time of war, Death Eater activity would have been suspected, and
things of this nature would have been reported immediately.

Keep in mind (from my interpretation) the Fidelus charm didn't stop
people from seeing the house; it stopped them from seeing the people
inside the house (the Potter's).

I think when the house of a well respected, well love family blows up
in the middle of the night, whether they were in the house or not, the
news travels fast.

RE: Why does anyone else have to be there?
OK, Snape is there; interesting concept, but I don't see any evidence
that anyone other than the Potter's were there, and I don't see any
need for anyone other than the Potter's to be there.

True, we may not know the man's voice was James', but we don't really
know that the woman or the woman's voice was Lily's, but it seems a
logical conclusion.

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Tara's 3nd Comment:
> Finally (for now),

**** I have seen many posts talking about the *triumph* in
Dumbledore's eye and to me, it seems that he pulled one over on
Voldemort.****

 Harry is told only the basics, perhaps that is because he's young, or
maybe it is also a form of protection.  

****The first time Harry came face to face with Voldemort, he told
Voldemort about his mother sacrificing her life for him.****

Thats all Voldemort has to go on, the knowlege of an 11 year old.  I'm
sure that that is the basic idea of why Voldemort can't touch him,
however I'm certain, theres much more to it that Dumbledore isn't
letting on to.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tara

BBOY_MN Responds:
RE: The TRIUMPHANT twinkle.
Sorry, I don't buy any conspiracy theories. Dumbledore simply realizes
that there is a fatal flaw in Voldemort's plan. While Voldemort sees
the strength he has gained by using Harry's blood; Dumbledore sees the
weakenes. Somehow dispite gaining some additional power, Voldemort had
corrupted himself in some way. Now, the existance of a flaw doesn't
mean the execution or fulfillment of that flaw. Analogy, you could
drive a car with a fatal flaw for twenty years without that flaw ever
manifesting itself. It will be up to Dumbledore to find a way to
exploit the flaw to his advantage.

RE: What and when Voldemort knew.
When Harry first faces Voldemort (PS/SS) even Harry didn't know why he
was protected. He found that out in the hospital after the fact. The
second time he face Voldemort, it was in the form of the memory that
TOM RIDDLE had stored in his diary. That Tom Riddle was not in
communication with the existing Voldemort. So when Harry to;d Riddle
how he was saved, that information had no way to be transferred to the
existing Voldemort. That memory of Tom Riddle died in the Chamber of
Secrets without talking to anyone.

In the third book, Harry doesn't face Voldemort, and in the fourth
book, either Voldemort has figured it out on his own or someone else
has figured it out or found out and told him. Personally, I think he
had a long time to think about it and figured it out on his own.

RE:How much does Harry know?
Hardly anything; to some extent, I think Harry is content to operate
under the principle that 'ingorance is bliss'. But it is crystal clear
both to us and to Harry that there is tons of information out there
that we haven't been given.

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