[HPforGrownups] Old topics need new tricks (was:Re:Harry's Holly Wand and...

[eloiseherisson at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 42912

In a message dated 19/08/2002 16:27:25 GMT Standard Time, 
talisman22457 at yahoo.com writes:


> Eloise then suggested that "old subjects need new tricks" and 
> informed that:
> People who are interested in this topic and who weren't around back 
> in May might like to know that we had a huge discussion about it back 
> then, under the Stoned!Harry heading. ***edited*** 
> I recommend reading it as a lot of research on this topic has already 
> been done and posted by members of this group.
> I believe Stoned!Harry has also been written up for Hypothetic Ally 
> *** A walk down Hypothetic Alley will inform you of many of the 
> theories currently floating around.)
> Eloise
> 
> Talisman responds: 
> In the original post, I noted that I found extant references to Lugh 
> (e.g. Ronale7, Grandpa Voldemort thread)prior to posting. I was also 
> aware 
> that holly symbolism has already been discussed; however, the points 
> about holly being associated with Lugh; Lugh being patron of 
> Sorcerers; raised by a sorcerer; and,upon killing his evil grandpa,  
> becoming the new leader of the Tuatha (mystical pre-Celtic folk) have 
> not been previously discussed.
> In consideration of the interest in Stoned!Harry, here's a little 
> something for you, Eloise.  Lugh killed his evil grandfather with a 
> *stone.* 
> 

A philosopher's stone? ;-)

Are you perchance aiming one of those at me? ;-) <ducks>

I was actually replying to Grace's post, which drew on Phyllis' observation, 
together with a ruthless snip of your post (which snip agreed with Phyllis). 
I admit to being slightly taken aback by your taking my post as a specific 
objection to *your* original one, which I cannot at the moment locate (what 
was the number?), although I have tried.
 
I don't think that I ever suggested that there was nothing new to be posted. 
There's always something new to say and I do know what it's like to be new in 
the group. Unfortunately, I decided to cut some of my gripes and in the 
process cut specifically saying the former.

What I was commenting on  in my post was the specifically Christian symbolism 
that was being brought up, which has already been covered at length. I don't 
doubt for a moment that someone can come up with something new about that, 
too, but it does become tedious when the *same* ground is gone over yet 
again. If it's tedious to me, then it must be even more so for those who've 
been members of the group for even longer.

I *do not* want to suggest that new members of the list have nothing to 
contribute, for one minute. If I have a gripe , it is just that I would just 
like to ask that, like the old-timers, they try to contribute something which 
is *in some way* new (and believe me, I know how difficult that is), as is 
the information you have provided, Talisman.

If new threads do start to replicate old ones, old-timers have three options: 
to ignore them altogether, silently to read all the posts in the hope of 
something new coming up, or to point newcomers to previous discussions in the 
hope that they may build on them.

What would you do?

Eloise
(who, although she is conscious of being rather prickly recently, is quite 
nice really [refs, anyone?] and *does* have sympathy with people who want to 
chew over the same old topics and *does* realise how tedious (and sometimes 
nigh well impossible) it is to search the archive, but regrets that sometimes 
it's necessary.)


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