MAGIC DISHWASHER and saying the name

[Judy Shapiro]

No: HPFGUIDX 43176

Grey_Wolf said:
>>> Notice that, so far, the only people who
>>> don't call Voldemort "you know who" have happened to be part of the
>>> "old gang", and the only ones willing to fight him.

And Greg replied:
>> Professor McGonagall only refers to him as "You-Know-Who"<<
and went on to say that McGonagall seemed willing to fight Voldemort

To which Grey Wolf responded:
> You've twisted my words around to make them say something I did
> certainly *NOT* say....
> It does *not* say that all the members of the old gang call Voldemort
> by his name, only that the people who call him Voldemort are *part* of
> the old gang. Your argument is not valid, and I find offensive that
> people distort my words. The objection would be valid if you found
> someone who calls Voldemort by name and was *not* part of the old
> group.


I think Greg's statement was just an innocent misreading of what you said, 
Grey Wolf, not an attempt to twist anyone's words.  In fact, when I read 
your post I took it to mean the same think Greg seems to have thought -- 
that only those people brave enough to call Voldemort by his name would be 
brave enough to fight him.  I, too, was considering arguing against this 
claim, because clearly there are people willing to oppose Voldemort who are 
not willing to say his name -- the Weasleys, for example.  So, what does 
the "and the only ones willing to fight him" part of your quote mean, if it 
doesn't mean that those too scared to say "Voldemort" will also be too 
scared to fight?  I don't get it.

As for whether anyone outside the "old gang" calls Voldemort by his name, I 
think there may be people who do, but we just haven't seen them do it. In 
CoS, doesn't Tom Riddle imply that his friends were using the name 
"Voldemort" back when he was in school?  Maybe they still are. At the end 
of CoS, Lucius is not described as flinching when Dumbledore tells him to 
stop distributing Voldemort's old school things. The use of Voldemort's 
name doesn't seem to bother Lucius at all.  True, at the beginning of CoS, 
Lucius is talking to Draco and refers to "the Dark Lord", but I didn't take 
Dark Lord as a *euphemism* for Voldemort, I took it as an *honorific* for 
Voldemort.  Heck, the DEs kiss his robes and let him touch their Dark 
Marks, how bad can saying his name be?

Grey Wolf said:
> And there was a plan behind the
> Graveyard Gathering which *included* Harry either *dead or escaped*.
> And we know that because Voldemort isn't stupid, and he *didn't* have
> to talk before Harry. So, since he did, he must have had something else
> in mind.

Voldemort isn't stupid?  I'm hoping that at the HPfGU conference, there 
will be a panel called "Voldemort: Diabolical Genius or Incompetent Fool?" 
 I'd definitely be on the Incompetent Fool side. (Oops, no, wait, that came 
out wrong.)  I don't think Voldemort is stupid, exactly, but he certainly 
*acts* stupidly sometimes. (Don't forget the phoenix tears!)  He's the 
stereotypical Evil Overlord who can't think because all the blood is 
rushing to his ego.

In general, I believe MAGIC DISHWASHER, or at least parts of it.  I think 
Dumbeldore has a plan; he wanted Voldemort to use Harry in his attempt to 
regain human form, and I think the notorious "gleam" was because Dumbledore 
was glad Voldemort had used Harry's blood.  But, I don't think Dumbledore 
anticipated Voldemort kidnapping Harry from the Tournament, and I think 
Voldemort wanted Harry *dead dead dead* in the Graveyard scene, not 
escaped.

--Judy, who likes to think she'd call Voldemort "Moldie Voldie" behind his 
back, but would be scared witless to fight him