Omniscient Echoes and Escape Plan (WAS: Thoughts on MAGIC DISHWASHER )

[erisedstraeh2002]

No: HPFGUIDX 43179

In a previous post, I (Phyllis/erisedstraeh2002) wrote:

> My theory is that James' ghostly self (in the corrected version of 
> GoF) rigged the Cup to return to Hogwarts so that Harry could 
> escape.  Otherwise, how would James' ghost have known to tell 
> Harry "you must get to the portkey, it will return you to 
> Hogwarts..." (GoF, US hardback ed., p. 667)? 

And Grey Wolf responded:

> Crouch!Moody wasn't able to change the destination of the 
> Cup, which *was* a portkey designed by Dumbledore to take you to 
> the entrance of the maze (after all, the last thing you want after 
> winning the Triwizard Tournament is to backtrace your steps through 
> a maze filled with dangers). Crouch!Moody only put in an extra 
> stop. 

Now me again:

I agree that it's far-fetched to think that James' "reverse echo" 
would have rigged the Cup to return to Hogwarts.  The <extra stop> 
idea makes much more sense.  Perhaps the dead in the wizarding world 
have some sort of omniscient powers.  This would explain how 
the "reverse echo" of James knew to tell Harry that the portkey would 
return him to Hogwarts and how Bertha Jorkins' "echo" knew to call 
Harry "Harry" when we've never heard of an instance where Harry has 
previously met her.  IIRC, in an interview JKR indicated that in 
future books we will find out more about ghosts in the wizarding 
world, so perhaps she'll actually give us an answer to this by the 
end of Book 7.

Grey Wolf again (in response to my saying that if Voldemort were 
actually planning to allow Harry to escape, Fake!Moody wouldn't have 
tried to kill Harry before Harry could relate Voldemort's presumed 
misinformation to Dumbledore):

> You are supposing that Crouch knew Voldemort's plans. I don't think 
> Voldemort would tell Crouch anything that he didn't need to know.  

Me again:

But isn't one of the basic tenets of MAGIC DISHWASHER that Voldemort 
is a careful planner?  So if Voldemort was planning to let Harry 
escape, he would have *had* to put a plan in place for when Harry 
returned to Hogwarts (IMO, Harry wouldn't escape back to the dreaded 
Dursleys, he would escape back to Hogwarts).  So I would think that 
Fake!Moody would *have* to know of Voldemort's plan to let Harry 
escape so he could feed misinformation to Dumbledore, since Fake!
Moody is Voldemort's only servant at Hogwarts (that we know of, that 
is!).  

This actually would answer a question I've been pondering, which is - 
why didn't Fake!Moody portkey himself to the graveyard when he felt 
the Dark Mark burn on his arm?  If the answer is that Voldemort 
needed him to remain at Hogwarts in case he wasn't able to kill Harry 
and Harry escaped back to Hogwarts, it would make sense that Fake!
Moody would have needed to stay at Hogwarts rather than join his 
fellow DEs at Voldemort's self-titled "rebirthing party."  So I agree 
that Voldemort had a back-up plan in case Harry escaped (Fake!Moody 
was instructed to kill Harry upon his return to Hogwarts), but I 
don't agree that Voldemort intended for Harry to escape so he could 
feed misinformation to Dumbledore (since Fake!Moody tried to kill 
Harry before the "misinformation" could be relayed).

I'm curious as to why the information Voldemort provides is 
considered misleading or false.  All of it rings true to me - the 
fact that he's named after his father; the fact that he killed his 
father; that he calls the dementors and giants his "natural allies."

~Phyllis
who wishes she had a house-elf to help with the laundry, so she 
wouldn't have to spend all weekend doing it (I would pay wages and 
provide paid vacations, Hermione, honest I would!)