[HPforGrownups] Re: Molly Weasley's Faulty Memory/Hermione's placement/Harry's tears

[Barb P]

No: HPFGUIDX 43229


 --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
> Uncmark wrote:
> > Molly noticed the Whomping Willow and mentions it was planted 
> > after her time (which would make her older then Harry's 
> > parents). She also says that the Groundskeeper was Ogg. Is this 
> > different then Hagrid's position of Keeper of the Keys and 
> > Grounds?
> > 
> > Hagrid was expelled and became groundskeeper about 50 years 
> > before Harry's Time (placed at 1943 by the Harry Potter Lexicon) 
> > So who was Ogg and when did Molly and Arthur attend Hogwarts? 
> > 
> > Uncmark
> 
> The general consessus in the list is, IIRC, that Hagrid was hired 

> as a groundskeeper *under* Ogg's tutelage for a few years, until 
> Ogg retired and Hagrid learned the trade. Which means that, even 
> if Hagrid was there before Molly and Arthur, he wasn't the 
> groundskeeper as such, only the helper to Ogg.

I would call that more of a theory that doesn't contradict canon, rather than a general consensus.  There are other theories that do not contradict canon, such as Molly and Arthur attending school before Hagrid.  Or, the most likely explanation, JKR's problem with sums is rearing its head again and this is a Flint.  In the books, for instance, Ginny talks about how she had longed to attend Hogwarts ever since Bill had started school.  Inasmuch as she wasn't born until several years after he probably started, that's a pretty good trick.  OTOH, if she'd said that she'd wanted to come to Hogwarts ever since Percy had started, that would be more logical, as he would have started in 1987, when Ginny was six years old.  I wonder whether JKR has any idea how many people around the world spend loads of time trying to navigate her rather math-challenged timeline! <g>
> Some listees have pointed out that Hermione might have been placed 
> in Gryffindor because Ravcenclaw has nothing to make her grow 
> (she's already a good student), but I think that she was put in 
> Gryffindor because she asked the hat for it (just like Draco asked 
> for Slytherin and Ron for Ravenclaw.
Erm, when did Ron ask for Ravenclaw?  And even if he did, this wouldn't gibe with your argument as he was clearly NOT placed in Ravenclaw.  Did you mean to type Gryffindor?
> Mike Zitzmann wrote:
> > I think we can safely assume that Harry is the heir to 
> > Gryffindor.
> I don't think that's a safe theory, Mike. I've argued against it 
> before, and the problem with that idea is that it undermines the 
> enire "we are what we choose and not what our blood dictates" idea 
> in the books. Dumbledore insist heavily in the fact that what 
> really is important is the choices one makes, not the blood like 
> Voldemort and the DEs think. If Harry is NOT a heir to Gryffindor, 
> OTOH, we have a great theme for the books: the new blood that's 
> not the heir of anything defeats the old blood heir of an ancient 
> wizard family.
 
I find it as unlikely that Harry is THE heir of Gryffindor as I found it unlikely that Tom Riddle was THE heir of Slytherin.  (Sorry to be so down on JKR's math abilities today.  Warning: Here we go again....)
The likelihood after about a thousand years that there would be only ONE heir for each of these lines is very low.  I believe that SOMEWHERE in the world there MAY be another person who is a descendent of Slytherin, and while Harry might be AN heir of Gryffindor, I doubt he is THE heir, as in the only one.  I also doubt that JKR will make bloodlines terribly important for Harry.  OTOH, she IS slightly inconsistent in this.  She seems to think bloodlines are dreadfully important if you are evil (Draco, Tom Riddle, the fact that there are adult Death Eaters named Crabbe and Goyle, etc.) but not if you are good (Muggle-born Hermione outclassing the other students).  I hope this inconsistency is resolved in future books and we see someone good come from an "evil" background.  We've already seen that evil can crop up in "good" circles (Peter Pettigrew) but so far we haven't seen the opposite.  (I don't count Snape, as being from Slytherin doesn't automatically give you an "evil" background.  If we learn that his parents were dark wizards, he just might qualify.)
--Barb



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