Catching up: MAGIC DISHWASHER, metathinking, Voldemort's body (Quite Long)

[Grey Wolf]

No: HPFGUIDX 47608

Anne wrote:
> This is one of two major points where I don't understand MD.  If 
> Dumbledore is secretly guiding Voldemort to use the flawed potion, 
> and if one of the flaws was the use of Harry's blood, how did D 
> expect V to obtain the blood without capturing Harry?  Wouldn't this 
> have made Harry's portkeying away from the Triwizard maze less of a 
> surprise? 

OK, let's tacle this one by one. I think that, once Harry was 
portkey'ed to the graveyard (or on his return, if they really couldn't 
see what was going on inside), Dumbledore could imagine what had 
happened, and could guess that Voldemort was somehow involved. So, once 
it had happened, there wasn't much of a surprise: Dumbledore could 
expect Voldemort to try and abduct Harry. It was the method that came 
as a surprise.

Why didn't Dumbledore see the Portkey!Cup twist, then? Easy: because he 
was trusting a famous auror with the security. Only Moody was not 
there: it was an enemy agent, and thus, as long as Dumbledore didn't 
suspect of his actions, Crouch!Moody had the total run of the place. 
And we know Dumbledore doesn't suspect of him until the very end: "real 
Moody wouldn't have taken you away from me" (GoF). So, until that 
point, Dumbledore still couldn't understand what had happened (how 
could Voldemort's agent enchanted the cup, even with Moody constantly 
vigilant)

> I would expect Dumbledore to put these two facts together 
> and be on his guard: that Voldemort is to make a potion using Harry's 
> blood, and that Harry has unaccountably been entered into the TWT.

Oh, but Dumbledore suspected something *way before* Harry entered the 
TWT - the fact that he enters only increases his suspicions. He hires 
Moody, who has no known experience as a teacher and is widely known to 
be paranoic (and thus he could harm one of the students believing a 
simple prank was an attack). I don't think Moody was hired because of 
whatever teaching capabilities he might have: he was hired because 
Voldemort might make an attempt on Harry at a point where Hogwarts' 
defenses are lowered: the TWT, with all those new students going around 
(and thus, an increased possibility of having someone polyjuiced or 
hidden in some other way). The big error was, as I said, trusting the 
security to the enemy agent (who, in keeping with the real Moody, 
probably accused everyone and their little cousin of being the spy, 
keeping Dumbledore wondering until it was too late, and allowing the 
only one that could (not) be depended upon - Moody - take care of 
security). 

> Going one step further, if Dumbledore's intent was for Voldemort to 
> use a flawed potion containing Harry's blood, how exactly did he 
> *expect* V to obtain the blood without putting Harry through as bad 
> an experience as happened in the graveyard in GoF?
> 
> Anne

Note: This is just especulation, since there is no canon for this (as 
it hasn't happened and will never have the chance to happen).

I'd say that Dumbledore's plan was that Voldemort would take longer to 
be able to make an attempt on Harry: later, when Harry was more 
prepared to survive the encounter. Or maybe I was wrong and Dumbledore 
didn't expect Harry's blood to be used at all and the flaw is more in 
the fact of using Peter as ingredient. Note that the basic theory only 
says that Voldmort wanted to use Harry, not why (and this is 
canon-based affirmation: Voldemort explains as much to Peter while 
Harry is eavesdropping). 

I do believe, however, that Dumbledore did expect Harry to be used, 
only not this soon. As always, events are thrusted upon him: he doesn't 
plan for this any more than he plans for Sirius escape, but once its 
happened, he has plans that depend upon it and are put into movement. 
If he could've waited, I'd think Dumbledore moght as well waited until 
Harry was 18 or more - that way, Harry could be consulted and agreed, 
and other thigns could've been put into motion (including a counter 
attack right after Voldemort's resurrection - who knows. As I say, it 
hasn't and won't happen, and I doubt very much if we'll ever be told).

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf, who wonders who are the 17 people that have never heard 
about MAGIC DISHWASHER or at least stated as much in his poll