Catching up: MAGIC DISHWASHER, metathinking, Voldemort's body (Quite Long)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 47656

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Grey Wolf" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
 When the PS idea goes down the drain, he goes for the next 
> easiest: re-corporating. By his own words, he's becoming 
mortal once  again. But that's no big problem, since he can 
simply repeat whatever  spells made him inmortal in the first 
place: he doesn't seem to have problems to find ingredients for 
potions, especially now that he has  re-contacted his DEs.
> 
> But that's where MAGIC DISHWASHER and Dumbledore's 
plans come in: after the near-fiasco with the PS, Dumbledore's 
plans gear into motion, by  gently guiding him towards the flawed 
potion (my guess is that the flaw  is in the ingredients, especially 
Harry's blood and Peter's flesh). 
> Normally, the potion would have gien him a new body where 
he could  re-construct his inmortality safety measures, but this 
new body is  going to prove *too* mortal. <<

I can understand why Voldemort needs to undertake covert 
operations. He hasn't got the wizardpower for an outright 
takeover. And Dumbledore needs  a counterintelligence force for 
defense. He seems to be training Harry and his friends for this 
role, possibly because  the Ministry's counter-intelligence service 
(the Department of Mysteries?) has been infiltrated. After all, no 
spies-in-real-life theory is complete without some interservice 
rivalry. That would explain why, for example, Dumbledore would 
want to bring the Stone to Hogwarts instead of putting the Mirror 
trap in the Gringotts vault  for Voldemort to find there.


 However,  unlike Vapormort, Dumbledore and the Ministry also 
have  Aurors and Hit Wizards at their disposal. So, assuming 
Dishwasher is correct and Dumbledore *wants* Voldemort to 
re-corporate, why undertake it by stealth?   There were lots of 
ways for Voldemort to come back, according to Dishwasher post 
39854.  It's a bit far fetched to think that none of them would work 
without Voldemort's consent.  Instead of undertaking a  morally 
and physically complicated sabotage operation, which can and 
does go wrong in all sorts of ways, why not just surround 
Voldemort, force him into a mortal form and dispose of him? It 
might have been a bit complicated if the "flesh of a servant" 
flawed potion is the *only* one that would render Voldemort 
mortal,  but Dishwasher doesn't say that, does it?  If I understand 
the theory, it is only the easiest one to get Voldemort to use 
voluntarily. 

The attack would need to be planned in secret,  to keep traitor 
Aurors or HW's from finding out about it, but it could have been 
executed openly, without any need for a Shrieking Shack 
charade.

Non-Dishwasher Dumbledore could also use this option, but of 
course non-Dishwasher Dumbledore is not required to think that  
Voldemort must assume a body before he can be eliminated. 
Canon!Dumbledore only says that Voldemort cannot be killed, 
which is very different from saying that he cannot be destroyed. 

Pippin
who honestly doesn't think that Dishwasher proponents have 
horns and tails, but is still trying to understand exactly how JKR's 
interview statement that "Dumbledore is the epitome of 
goodness" 

http://www.cbc.ca/programs/sites/hottype_rowlingcomplete.html

works with the MD theory if "goodness" is neither  relative (all 
burning building illustrations) nor compromised. The idea that 
one can be just a little bit unprincipled *is* the Devil's argument, 
no?