[HPforGrownups] Exhuming Tom Riddle the Elder (was: hehehe Fidelius Charm)

[Barb]

No: HPFGUIDX 47748


I wrote:
<<Um, actually there are a number of things wrong with this theory>> <snip>
<< You mentioned that he was a Squib, but you seemed to forget about it after 
that.  Filch is a Squib.  If Voldemort's father was a Squib, he'd call him 
that.  Not a Muggle.  And the real reason, in canon, that Filch cannot be his 
father is that he ISN'T DEAD.  Voldemort needed the "bone of the father" for 
the potion/spell/ritual that gave him his body back.  That came from the 
grave of Tom Riddle. >>


 Audra1976 at aol.com wrote:


I think you missed something, Barb.  Julie's theory presumed that Voldemort doesn't *know* Filch is his father.  He thinks Tom Riddle is.  So your first point has no bearing on Julie's theory.  Your second point is a little more viable.  Would the ritual have worked at all if he used the bone of someone other than his father?  We don't know. Julie supposed the ritual would work, but be flawed somehow, and there is really nothing to prove her wrong. 


Me again:
 
There sure is.  He used WORDS to summon "the bone of the father" to him.  Wormtail did not physically get down on his hands and knees to dig it up and put it in the potion.  From what we know of summoning charms, if the dust that emerged from the grave wasn't Tom Riddle's remains, it shouldn't have come out.  If someone else was Voldemort's father, that shouldn't have worked at all.  They would have been left staring and staring at the grave, waiting for something to happen, and Voldemort wouldn't have gotten his body back.  And again, I leave the possibility that someone else was his father only if that person was pretending to be someone named Tom Riddle and his remains were in that grave, because it was from THAT grave that the dust emerged, and if it didn't contain his father, it shouldn't have.
 
I don't know where the idea comes from that the spell would still have worked, but be flawed.  That's the theory that has no basis in canon, IMO.  The spell worked because Voldemort and Wormtail had all of the ingredients.  When we've seen flawed spells or potions (like Hermione using a cat hair for the Polyjuice) the failure is evident right away.  There's absolutely no reason to assume that the basic goal of the ritual wasn't realized.  
 
Dramatically, it also makes sense that the only complication to the spell will be Harry's blood.  And even then, it didn't compromise the spell so much as give Dumbledore a reason to get that thing in his eye. <g>  Again, this was a necessary ingredient (blood of the foe) but it seems that Dumbledore suspects that Voldemort having some of Harry's blood will have a result that he wasn't anticipating.  (A complication haveing NOTHING to do with the efficacy of the spell.)  It would be muddying the waters to have an additional complication, and there's absolutely nothing to support anyone being Voldemort's dad other than Tom Riddle.
 
--Barb
 


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