[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape and Lily- I just can't see it
Barb
psychic_serpent at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 11 03:52:51 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 48128
"Darla <Talkative_alien_4000 at yahoo.com>" <Talkative_alien_4000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
there's a lot of cannon that contradicts this idea, such as James and Lily's very hasty marrage after Hogwarts. Not exactly a lot of spare time in between...
Me:
Upon what are you basing this? We don't know when James and Lily finished Hogwarts. We don't even know that they married before having Harry. They could have had him and decided afterward to marry. Or Lily could have been six months pregnant walking down the aisle. We don't know. As I pointed out, we don't even know whether James and Snape were in the same year, so although it's possible Snape could have resented James for being Head Boy (and not having the position himself that year) I acknowledged that it was indeed speculation. JKR said that Snape was 35 or 36 at the time that GoF was released; if she meant he was one of these ages at the beginning of Harry's fourth year, that would make him 21 or 22 years older than Harry and born in 1958 or 1959. If she meant at the end of the book, he could possibly be only 20 years younger, or born in 1960. If we take the year that would make him youngest, 1960, and if we assume that James and Lily were born the same year, that would make them twenty when Harry was born, or two years out of school. That's not a "very hasty marriage," in my opinion.
"Darla <Talkative_alien_4000 at yahoo.com>" <Talkative_alien_4000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I can see where people are coming from with the
Lily/Snape idea, sort of, but I can't bring myself to believe it. James and Snape are just too different character wise for it to be plausable for Lily to fall for them *both*. Plus, how many relationships have we seen outside of individual Houses? Would Lily and Snape even be good *friends*? If Snape did harbour any feels towards her, I should imagine it was more of a 'I want what James
has' rather then Lily herself.
Me:
That's definitely another possibility in the same boat with the other Snape/Lily theories; it may be that he wanted what James had (I listed the other things); it may have been that Snape had some unrequited feelings for Lily; it may have been that he actually approached her with his feelings and was rejected, while she did not (obviously) reject James, etc., etc. I don't think a Snape/Lily theory depends upon Lily returning any feelings Snape may have had. But desiring a woman who married his rival would somehow make his smoldering resentment of James and Harry feel--more plausible (more so than resenting someone for saving your life, being better at Quidditch or beating you out for Head Boy). So no, you're quite right that there isn't any canon evidence for Lily actually having a relationship with Snape, but that isn't the only possible permutation of the theory.
"Darla <Talkative_alien_4000 at yahoo.com>" <Talkative_alien_4000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Also, I'm not sure where I get this impression
from, but I think Harry is more sensitive about his mother and comments made about her then his father...
Me:
Hm. I'm not sure where you get this impression either, since it was Aunt Marge specifically insulting his father and calling him an unemployed bum that enraged Harry to the point that he inflated her.
I'm glad that we've been given hints that JKR will reveal more about Lily in the fifth book. (It was the fifth book, wasn't it? I may self-destruct if it's not until the sixth.<g>) I wonder whether the information will come from Petunia, Sirius, Snape, Dumbledore or someone else...
--Barb
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