Lupin is James

[gkjpo <kristen@sanderson-web.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 48846

> Sharana:
> When Cedric died he asked Harry to take his body back to his 
> parents. After James came out of the wand he told Harry that the 
> Portkey was set to go back to Hogwarts. They show at least some 
> level of conscience about what is going on in the living world. I 
> admit that the "echo" concept as Dumbledore later explains to Harry 
> is confusing to me, for these shadows that came out of the 
> Voldemort's wand are not ghosts per se. Maybe the shadow is of the 
> body that died, not of the soul of the person who died. (Yes, just 
> guessing, we don't know anything else about it).
> 

> "An echo," said Dumbledore, "which retained Cedric's appearance and 
> character..."
> 
Me:  
I would think that the shadow would reflect the soul of the person 
that died and it would therefore look like Remus, not Fake!James, but 
that's the biggest hole I can find.  You have an interesting theory.  

> Now that you mention the inconsistency in early editions of the 
> order of Lily's and James's deaths, you got me thinking there...
> 
> Page 667 says:
> "Your father's coming... " she said quietly. "Hold on for your 
> father... it will be all right... hold on..."
> 
> I imagine that in the early editions, it said something like: 
> "Your mother's coming..." He said quietly. 
> Which would make much more sense if RealRemus was saying it than 
> RealJames.
> 
Me:  I believe that this change was due to an admitted mistake on 
JKR's part.  I have the old version and the difference is that in my 
(old) version, James comes out first while in the newer one, Lily 
comes out first.

> 
> I don't even dare to say that FakeRemus can animagate into a stag, 
> as we know it is a very complex procedure and we don't know what it 
> involves, but I do believe his Patronus is a stag, because the 
> Patronus reflects at some level your personality (which is part of 
> your soul, you could say) so that doesn't change (sorry can't 
> remember where in canon it says something like this). We never get 
> to see Lupin cast his Patronus.
> 
Lupin casts a Patronus on the train to Hogwarts to deflect the 
dementor.  However, it is a small one and maybe didn't show true form.

> 
> Sherry again:
> >3. Why has FakeLupin been living like a pauper if he has all of 
> James' money?
> > 
> >3a. He wants Harry to have all his money.
> >3b. He gave Dumbledore his only vault key and can't access his 
> money.
> >3c. Accessing his vault would blow his cover as Lupin.
> >3d. He has been accessing his vault all along, but has been taking 
> only enough
> >to survive.  Harry wouldn't notice this because he has no idea how 
> much money
> >was in there to begin with, and wouldn't know if a few Galleons 
> went missing.
> 
> Sharana:
> Good guesses although I think 3a and 3b wouldn't be enough reason. 
I 
> think 3c is the best reason of all. 3d could happen but I believe 
> FakeLupin wouldn't go to the vault directly but have Dumbledore (or 
> Dumbledore have Hagrid) do it for him, to not blow his cover.
> 
Me:
I don't think 3c would wash.  In PoA, Sirius gets money from his 
vault to buy the Firebolt, and it did not blow his cover during a 
massive manhunt.  I can't imagine that Fake!Remus would have problems 
if Sirius did not.

> Sharana:
> Back to Potterverse you say that the event that triggers the loop 
is 
> the act of going back in time. Yes, but you have to be alive to go 
> back in time. Harry is alive because a Patronus drove the Dementors 
> away before the kiss. Even if he had received the kiss and goes 
back 
> in time, he would not be able (being soulless) to cast the 
Patronus, 
> so someone else must have done it (the first time), Harry later 
> going back in time changed the fact on who cast the Patronus from 
> that loop on, but he couldn't have cast it the first time.
> 
> The Wolfsbane Potion does not prevent the werewolf to turn into a 
> werewolf, it gives him some self control as to not harm other 
people 
> and himself. Maybe Werewolf!James had enough control to cast the 
> Patronus the first time (wild guess)
> 
Me:
Ok, I admit it, this time loop talk gives me a headache.  Maybe I'm 
being very dense here, but why couldn't it be Harry the first time?  
If it had to be someone else, then who attended all of Hermione's 
classes?  

> 
> Question: What is a Foe Glass? It is mentioned at the end of GoF, 
> while FakeMoody reveals himself to Harry and Harry sees Dumbledore, 
> Minerva and Snape through the Foe Glass.
> 
Me:
The Foe glass is a dark detector that Prof. Moody had to detect his 
enemies coming after him.  I can only guess that when real Moody 
became Fake!Moody, the Foe-Glass showed the foes of Fake!Moody.  (GoF 
p. 343)  "Oh that's my Foe-Glass.  See them out there, skulking 
around?  I'm not really in trouble until I see the whites of their 
eyes.  That's when I open my trunk."  

Kristen