Eureka! Snape and The Maruader's Map!

[caes56]

No: HPFGUIDX 34750

Hey guys, I'm sorry to be the one, but someone's gotta kill 90% of 
this debate and quick! first off, here are some portions of the 
debate I am talking about:


---Serenadust Quoting Cindysphynx Quoting Pippen-----

> Pippin wrote (about Snape questioning Lupin about the Map):
> 
> > I am kicking myself, because I should have realized this as soon 
> > as I finished GoF. The name Snape recognizes from the Map is 
> > *Wormtail*. He doesn't know it from Hogwarts, he knows it from 
> > being a Death Eater, and (this is the kicker) he 
thinks "Wormtail" 
> > is Voldemort's code name for the traitor *Sirius Black*. 
>

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----Finwich:------
Not necessarily. Not if P was 'going rat', as he was most of the 
time. The Trio did NOT see Rita Skeeter the beatle, remember?
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-----Serenadust's Actual writing:-----

Hang on here. I believe that the book indicates that Lupin saw 
both Sirius Blacks and Peter's names on the map and that was what 
brought him running to the Shrieking Shack (although why he left the 
map behind for Snape to find, I can't imagine). Shouldn't Snape 
have seen both Pettigrews AND Blacks names on the map? 

Jo Serenadust


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   This is where it gets to be important- Serenadust is correct. The 
canon states in very specific terms that the Marauder's Map shows 
not only Siruis, but Pettigrew as well. I know you already pointed 
out the canon's terms, Serenadust, but since some people 
understandably forgot what the books actually state, here is the 
particular spot you all may wish to read:

PoA, end of Chapter 17, page 348 American Version:

...,said Lupin..."20 minutes later, you left Hagrid, and set off 
back towards the castle. But you were now accompanied by somebody 
else."
     "What?" said Harry. "No, we weren't!"
     "I couldn't beleve my eyes, " said Lupin..."I thought the map 
must be malfunctioning. How could he be with you?"...[harry objects 
again]..."And then i saw another dot, moving fast toward you, 
labeled Sirius Black. . . . I saw him collide with you; I watched as 
he pulled two of you into the Whomping Willow-"...[Ron interrupts 
Lupin, who asks for the rat- Pettigrew. Ron objects to Lupin ad 
Sirius' statements that Scabbers isn't a rat, and finally]..."No, 
he's not,"said Lupin quietly."He's a wizard."
      "An Animagus," said Black, "by the name of Peter Pettigrew."

     This little snippet explains in detail all we need to know. The 
relative events, starting from Hermione's finding of Scabbers, and 
their consequences are as follows:
  1) Hermione finds Scabbers in Hagrid's hut, and Ron grabs him.
  2) The trio leave Hagrid's hut to go back to the castle, but are 
interrupted by Crookshanks, and Scabbers gets away from Ron. 
  3) Ron, followed by Hermione and Harry, run to the forest to get 
Scabbers.
  4) Ron finally grabs Scabbers at the foot of the Whomping Willow.
  5) This is where Lupin spots the trio on the map- with Pettigrew, 
NOT Wormtail listed.
  6)Black,-a BIG hint here, though easily missed- in his Animagus 
form of a dog, grabs Ron and summarily Scabbers and drags them into 
the Whomping Willow. 
  7) As the quote above states, Lupin SPECIFICALLY states that he 
saw a dot labeled Sirius Black. If Peter as a rat were labeled 
as "Wormtail," then Sirius should have been "Padfoot." But he 
wasn't. So, Lupin specifically saw Peter Pettigrew, NOT Wormtail. 
     Another point of logic to this might also be considered- even 
if you don't buy the above statement- and I'd seriously have to 
wonder why you wouldn't- why would the dot show up as "Wormtail" 
anyways? Wouldn't "Scabbers" take precedence? By this I mean to say 
that Pettigrew only learned how to become an Animagus late in his 
years at Hogwarts- I don't feel like doing the math, but I vaguely 
remember the end result being that the Marauders finally learned it 
by their 4th or 5th year. For the sake of this dispute, we'll give 
the benefit of the doubt and say 4th year. so that make 4 years 
Pettigrew was known as Wormtail(counting the 4th year into the 
equation). But right after the LV encounter, Pettigrew becomes a pet 
for the Weasleys, becoming known as "Scabbers." This goes on for 12 
years- 13, counting PoA. So wouldn't that name take precedence over 
Wormtail, as Pettigrew was know as Scabbers for over 12 years?
   Well, it's late here and I have a morning class later in 5 hours 
or so. I think i should sleep- I'm going to hate myself in the 
morning. I hope this helped you guys, and girls as well! So, to all 
still up, Good Night! And to all who read this during the day, have 
a Good Day!

Sincerely Yours,
   Vin