Sirius vs. Snape: Azcaban recovery.

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 34797

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Katze <jdumas at k...> wrote:
> finwitch wrote:
> 
> > Sirius had more than one prime motives to escape from Azcaban. 
Both
> > to save Harry and to make Pettigrew pay among others - like 
proving
> > his innocence... Everything he might have wanted, needed and/or
> > desired required his getting out of Azcaban. His entire being was
> > momentuously aimed at a single goal: Out of Azcaban. This is so 
great
> > a need, so great an emotional thought: "I must get out of here" -
> > that it brings that non-wand, non-controlled magic out. That's 
how he
> > escaped. (Being animagus helped, no doubt)
> 
> I think Sirius always panned to get out, but he didn't make his move
> until he saw Scabbers in the newspaper and realize that Harry was in
> danger. Was there a mention of him using magic to get out? I know 
he was
> animagus, and he was so skinny in dog form that he was able to 
squeeze
> through the bars. Though...he must've apparated to get to the 
mainland.

He got out *somehow*. He's the only one who did. And - Big Black Dog -
 Some dogs are slim and can get trough the bars but a dog big enough 
to keep a wolf under control? Maybe - but my earlier point is that he 
*could* get out only because it became so extremely important.

> > Sirius isn't getting better: He's focused on finding Harry and
> > getting him to safety. He's too busy to handle the emotional 
after-
> > effect of his torment. He kept all dangers away from Harry (until
> > Harry got into the Knight-Bus) while Harry was dealing with his
> > emotions so busily he didn't notice anything.
> > Sirius heard where Harry was headed, I guess - so he went there,
> > using some other method. Again, he's concerned of Harry, his own
> > Azcaban-trauma is constantly put aside - until later.
> 
> I don't think there were actually any apparent dangers while Harry 
was
> walking away from the Dursleys. Sirius states that he jut wanted a
> glimpse of Harry before he headed off.

None was mentioned, but 13-year old boy alone in the night? Not a 
magical danger - but one that would escape an ordinary, big dog. 
(Like a drunk man with a knife...)

 
> Hrmmm...I'm not sure Sirius bought the Firebolt because Harry 
fancied
> it. Harry's Nimbus 2000 got smashed by the Whomping Willow and thus
> Sirius bought him a replacement (why not the best for his godson?).
> Crookshanks is actually the "person" who placed the order for the 
broom.
> We don't know that he withdrew all of his money either...the book 
just
> says that Gringott's took the money out of his vault. Perhaps he's 
just
> filthy stinking rich and the cost of the Firebolt is just a drop in 
the
> hat. Even if it took every cent, Sirius didn't make mention of how 
the
> cost affected his bank account.

Well - Sirius can't know if he ever gets an oppurtunity to buy it 
later. And he seems to be a bit impulsive sometimes.

> I don't think Sirius saw him getting on the train. I also don't 
think he
> saw Lupin get on the train. He knew that Harry was headed to 
Hogwarts
> and went on his way, and later found out that Lupin was a professor 
at
> the school for the year.

PP was on the train! Would he leave Harry with the rat?
 
> He also never conversed with Lupin until the Shrieking Shack. They 
each
> figured out on their own that Peter was still alive, but they didn't
> reconcile or even speak with each other until the Shack.

Could be - maybe he indeed wasn't able to send any letters?

> > Halloween: Sirius knows that PP has his best oppurtunity with so
> > little students around and desperately acts. AIR it was Lupin who
> > broke Ron's leg, not Sirius. OK, now Sirius has Lupin to trust, 
along
> > with the Trio. Sirius' acts on Fat Lady, etc. is partly unhandled
> > post-traumatic stress from Azcaban, stress and desperation.
> 
> I do agree that Sirius was quite desparate....to get to Peter 
though. I
> think his emotions were running very high, and pretty much anything
> could tip him off the scale. And it is most certainly PTS.
> 
> Sirius is the one who broke Ron's leg, and Sirius attacked the fat 
Lady
> before the Shrieking Shack incident. Lupin and Sirius thought the 
other
> was the traitor and they didn't reconcile until the Shrieking Shack.

The thought in Sirius' mind: PP could kill Harry asleep! Got to get 
him before he gets Harry (not to mention all other things getting 
Peter is to Sirius - like Freedom).

> > His time in "some place warm with lots of sunlight" helps Sirius 
to
> > recover from his time in Azcaban - at least, now he's able to do 
so.
> > He sends regular letters to Harry, Lupin and Dumbledore. (Giving 
Ron
> > the Owl as an apology with his first letter to Harry...) - Where 
did
> > he get that little owl?
> 
> I think Pigwidgeon came from a regular post. It was never mentioned
> where he got him, but Sirius said he was eager to take the job. We 
also
> don't know that he's sending letters to Lupin. 

No, we don't - but I find it likely. Why wouldn't he? Lupin is his 
friend, after all. And Sirius isn't going to lose any of his few 
friends over lack of communication.

> We do know that he was feeling better and eating well, because he 
looked
> well when he spoke with Harry in the fire before the first Task. 
So, at
> least he was able to recover physically from his time in Azkaban.
> 
> > And, for other Person X ought to apologise to Person Y - well, the
> > thing about Ron vs. Harry after the Dragon - he didn't need to 
hear
> > it. Same goes with Ron & Harry. They know why - that's enough.
> 
> Eh? I think Sirius *wanted* to hear about Harry and what was 
happening. 

Harry didn't need to hear Ron apologise - even as neither Ron nor 
Harry need to have Sirius apologising once all was cleared out...

> > Difference between Snape & Sirius is that Sirius does one 
repaireable
> > thing against Fat Lady, has a fight with Harry and Ron - but only
> > once. Plus they were able to do something...
> 
> He was certainly violent, and I'm not sure the Fat Lady has totally
> recovered. It took a lot of coaxing to get her to return to her 
post,
> IIRC. But the his fight with Ron and Harry seemed to have been 
repaired
> the moment everyone found out the truth about Peter.

It did indeed. Fat Lady didn't seem anyhow traumatised to me in GoF...
 
 
> I think It's very likely that the kids could levy a complaint about
> Snape, easily. They may not know the password, but I suspect there 
are
> other ways to contact if need be.

Send an Owl, perhaps? But not very good way, though. Personal contact 
can be told more... Sirius specifically told Harry "tell Dumbledore 
immediately if your scar hurts" which Harry is about to do, always by 
going into Dumbledore's office, stopping to list candies to the 
Gargoyle...

> He's always around...watching and
> waiting. I think that Dumbledore is a person who believes that one 
must
> be subjected to all types of people. Though Snape is overly harsh. 
But
> he's the antagonist.
> He serves a purpose in the story, and helps keep
> Harry grounded. He's like the substitute for the Dursleys while 
Harry is
> at Hogwarts. (we wouldn't want Harry's fame to go to his head, now 
do
> we?)

Like it'd happen to Harry anyway... Having a child constantly 
insulted and grounded isn't the best way to raise them... it may lead 
to the lack of confidence. Such as doubting what he sees 
(Crouch/Moody in Snape's office, Dumbledore's gleam of triumph, 
recognising the Big Black Dog following him) or thinking that his 
troubles/dreams aren't worth telling. And that might well mean his 
death. Harry gets these early warnings, but never tells anyone... I 
just wish someone would tell him: "If it doesn't make sense, you're 
in danger, not hallusinating" - contrary to what Dursleys&Snape are 
about to convince him of! Harry certainly doesn't need anymore self-
doubts he has. If he had told at least Sirius about Crouch...

> > About Hagrid recovering so fast - 1) He had good conditions to
> > recover. 2) He stayed for two weeks - considerably lesser time 
than
> > 12 years. 3) Hagrid's half-giant (compare to Sirius' Animagi)...
> 
> I'm not sure Hagrid fully recovered...He shivers or something every 
time
> Azkaban is mentioned...though I don't have my books in front of my 
so I
> could be recalling this info incorrectly.

Recovered, but with bad memories.