Sirius ramblings about Harry and Peter (was Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Sirius vs. Snape: Azcaban recovery.)

[Katze]

No: HPFGUIDX 34803

finwitch wrote:

> He got out *somehow*. He's the only one who did. And - Big Black Dog -
>  Some dogs are slim and can get trough the bars but a dog big enough
> to keep a wolf under control? Maybe - but my earlier point is that he
> *could* get out only because it became so extremely important.
 
Sirius explains how escaped Azkaban in PoA. He was able to keep his
resolve because he knew he was innocent. 

> None was mentioned, but 13-year old boy alone in the night? Not a
> magical danger - but one that would escape an ordinary, big dog.
> (Like a drunk man with a knife...)

I'm sure it was definitely dangerous for Harry to be out there...but
Sirius states that he wanted to get a glimpse of him. I think that's
all..he just wanted to see his Godson.

> 
> > Hrmmm...I'm not sure Sirius bought the Firebolt because Harry
> fancied
> > it. Harry's Nimbus 2000 got smashed by the Whomping Willow and thus
> > Sirius bought him a replacement (why not the best for his godson?).
> > Crookshanks is actually the "person" who placed the order for the
> broom.
> > We don't know that he withdrew all of his money either...the book
> just
> > says that Gringott's took the money out of his vault. Perhaps he's
> just
> > filthy stinking rich and the cost of the Firebolt is just a drop in
> the
> > hat. Even if it took every cent, Sirius didn't make mention of how
> the
> > cost affected his bank account.
> 
> Well - Sirius can't know if he ever gets an oppurtunity to buy it
> later. And he seems to be a bit impulsive sometimes.

Crookshanks would know though. Crookshanks was Sirius' liaison, and I
suspect he filled Sirius in on most everything that was
happening...especially anything regarding Harry. I think Sirius is
impulsive, but Harry is not...at least he's not with his money. He
thought about it, but then thought otherwise.

> 
> > I don't think Sirius saw him getting on the train. I also don't
> think he
> > saw Lupin get on the train. He knew that Harry was headed to
> Hogwarts
> > and went on his way, and later found out that Lupin was a professor
> at
> > the school for the year.
> 
> PP was on the train! Would he leave Harry with the rat?

That was never really addressed. I think Sirius' main goal was to get to
Hogwarts. It is possible that he was on the train...explains the
Dementor. But the Dementors were everywhere. They knew he had said "He's
at Hogwarts" while in Azkaban, and perhaps they thought he'd try to get
on the train to the school. I also don't think Peter would've have shown
himself...*ever* had he not been outed by Lupin & Black. So I don't
think Harry was in danger on the train. Peter sure wouldn't expose
himself on a train *full* of people. 

> > He also never conversed with Lupin until the Shrieking Shack. They
> each
> > figured out on their own that Peter was still alive, but they didn't
> > reconcile or even speak with each other until the Shack.
> 
> Could be - maybe he indeed wasn't able to send any letters?

I think Sirius' main concern was getting to Peter. He didn't want
*anyone* to know that where he was. Especially since was suspected Lupin
for so long...I don't think he even fully trusted Lupin again until the
Shrieking Shack. I think Sirius wanted to keep his whereabout secret.
Had he contacted Lupin, Lupin may very well have said something to D. It
wasn't until the night of the Shrieking Shack that Lupin figured out
that Peter was still alive, by way of the map. So..I think it's
incredibly unlikely that Sirius and Lupin had any contact with each
other until the Shrieking Shack.

> The thought in Sirius' mind: PP could kill Harry asleep! Got to get
> him before he gets Harry (not to mention all other things getting
> Peter is to Sirius - like Freedom).

He did keep saying in Azkaban "He's at Hogwarts! He's at Hogwarts!" I
think he knew that Harry *could* be in danger, and it certainly meant
his freedom if he could capture Peter.
 
> No, we don't - but I find it likely. Why wouldn't he? Lupin is his
> friend, after all. And Sirius isn't going to lose any of his few
> friends over lack of communication.

Not now at least...but there must've been enough of a lack of
communication between the two for them to suspect each other when James
and Lily died. I think they are much closer now, and Sirius is supposed
to contact him now, as requested by D at the end of GoF.

> Harry didn't need to hear Ron apologise - even as neither Ron nor
> Harry need to have Sirius apologising once all was cleared out...

I must've misunderstood the first time round...


> It did indeed. Fat Lady didn't seem anyhow traumatised to me in GoF...

I bet if you mentioned Sirius Black, she'd have a few words to say...

> Send an Owl, perhaps? But not very good way, though. Personal contact
> can be told more... Sirius specifically told Harry "tell Dumbledore
> immediately if your scar hurts" which Harry is about to do, always by
> going into Dumbledore's office, stopping to list candies to the
> Gargoyle...

This is true..not all students will know the passwords. I would find it
hard to believe that the only way a student is allowed to see D is by
knowing the password. I think he's always watching the students, and can
be found if need be.

> Like it'd happen to Harry anyway... Having a child constantly
> insulted and grounded isn't the best way to raise them... it may lead
> to the lack of confidence. Such as doubting what he sees
> (Crouch/Moody in Snape's office, Dumbledore's gleam of triumph,
> recognising the Big Black Dog following him) or thinking that his
> troubles/dreams aren't worth telling. And that might well mean his
> death. Harry gets these early warnings, but never tells anyone... I
> just wish someone would tell him: "If it doesn't make sense, you're
> in danger, not hallusinating" - contrary to what Dursleys&Snape are
> about to convince him of! Harry certainly doesn't need anymore self-
> doubts he has. If he had told at least Sirius about Crouch...

He had seen Crouch's name on the map, but I don't think it alarmed him
enough to think something was wrong. I think that Harry's is finally
learning to trust some people. Towards the end of the GoF, he goes to D
on his own when his scar starts burning. He also talks with Sirius about
his problems with Ron...the only person he's talked with about that is
Hermione. He's growing...though he may never fully trust anyone.

-Katze