Sirius ramblings about Harry and Peter (was Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Sirius vs. Snape: Azcaban recovery.)

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 34808

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Katze <jdumas at k...> wrote:
> finwitch wrote:
> 
> > He got out *somehow*. He's the only one who did. And - Big Black 
Dog -
> >  Some dogs are slim and can get trough the bars but a dog big 
enough
> > to keep a wolf under control? Maybe - but my earlier point is 
that he
> > *could* get out only because it became so extremely important.
>  
> Sirius explains how escaped Azkaban in PoA. He was able to keep his
> resolve because he knew he was innocent. 

Explains how he remained sane - not how he got out.

> > None was mentioned, but 13-year old boy alone in the night? Not a
> > magical danger - but one that would escape an ordinary, big dog.
> > (Like a drunk man with a knife...)
> 
> I'm sure it was definitely dangerous for Harry to be out there...but
> Sirius states that he wanted to get a glimpse of him. I think that's
> all..he just wanted to see his Godson.
 
Of course he did - he didn't want to scare Harry - but well, I think 
he kept an eye on him - until he got to the knight bus - just in case.
 
> > 
> > Well - Sirius can't know if he ever gets an oppurtunity to buy it
> > later. And he seems to be a bit impulsive sometimes.
> 
> Crookshanks would know though. Crookshanks was Sirius' liaison, and 
I
> suspect he filled Sirius in on most everything that was
> happening...especially anything regarding Harry. I think Sirius is
> impulsive, but Harry is not...at least he's not with his money. He
> thought about it, but then thought otherwise.
 
Um - Sirius knows Harry wants it. Sirius is impulsive and might 
consider being unable to buy it later...
 
> > > I don't think Sirius saw him getting on the train. I also don't
> > think he
> > > saw Lupin get on the train. He knew that Harry was headed to
> > Hogwarts
> > > and went on his way, and later found out that Lupin was a 
professor
> > at
> > > the school for the year.
> > 
> > PP was on the train! Would he leave Harry with the rat?
> 
> That was never really addressed. I think Sirius' main goal was to 
get to
> Hogwarts. It is possible that he was on the train...explains the
> Dementor. But the Dementors were everywhere. They knew he had 
said "He's
> at Hogwarts" while in Azkaban, and perhaps they thought he'd try to 
get
> on the train to the school. I also don't think Peter would've have 
shown
> himself...*ever* had he not been outed by Lupin & Black. So I don't
> think Harry was in danger on the train. Peter sure wouldn't expose
> himself on a train *full* of people.

But in the *car* there were only three kids and one adult.
It didn't seem all that crowded to me.

> > > He also never conversed with Lupin until the Shrieking Shack. 
They
> > each
> > > figured out on their own that Peter was still alive, but they 
didn't
> > > reconcile or even speak with each other until the Shack.
> > 
> > Could be - maybe he indeed wasn't able to send any letters?
> 
> I think Sirius' main concern was getting to Peter. He didn't want
> *anyone* to know that where he was. Especially since was suspected 
Lupin
> for so long...I don't think he even fully trusted Lupin again until 
the
> Shrieking Shack. I think Sirius wanted to keep his whereabout 
secret.
> Had he contacted Lupin, Lupin may very well have said something to 
D. It
> wasn't until the night of the Shrieking Shack that Lupin figured out
> that Peter was still alive, by way of the map. So..I think it's
> incredibly unlikely that Sirius and Lupin had any contact with each
> other until the Shrieking Shack.

No trust... then.
 
> > The thought in Sirius' mind: PP could kill Harry asleep! Got to 
get
> > him before he gets Harry (not to mention all other things getting
> > Peter is to Sirius - like Freedom).
> 
> He did keep saying in Azkaban "He's at Hogwarts! He's at Hogwarts!" 
I
> think he knew that Harry *could* be in danger, and it certainly 
meant
> his freedom if he could capture Peter.

Did, indeed. But still, Harry's safety is what I find his main 
concern.
  
> > No, we don't - but I find it likely. Why wouldn't he? Lupin is his
> > friend, after all. And Sirius isn't going to lose any of his few
> > friends over lack of communication.
> 
> Not now at least...but there must've been enough of a lack of
> communication between the two for them to suspect each other when 
James
> and Lily died. I think they are much closer now, and Sirius is 
supposed
> to contact him now, as requested by D at the end of GoF.

Right - not now - not after PoA. Unless Lupin was with him, of course.
 
 
> > It did indeed. Fat Lady didn't seem anyhow traumatised to me in 
GoF...
> 
> I bet if you mentioned Sirius Black, she'd have a few words to 
say...

LOL - but, well...

> > Send an Owl, perhaps? But not very good way, though. Personal 
contact
> > can be told more... Sirius specifically told Harry "tell 
Dumbledore
> > immediately if your scar hurts" which Harry is about to do, 
always by
> > going into Dumbledore's office, stopping to list candies to the
> > Gargoyle...
> 
> This is true..not all students will know the passwords. I would 
find it
> hard to believe that the only way a student is allowed to see D is 
by
> knowing the password. I think he's always watching the students, 
and can
> be found if need be.

What I don't get is - why Dumbledore never told Harry the password? 
It is pretty obvious Harry has need to see him pretty often... Then 
again, Harry can figure it out - just list candies... In the 5th 
book, Harry really should *know* it.

 
> He had seen Crouch's name on the map, but I don't think it alarmed 
him
> enough to think something was wrong. I think that Harry's is finally
> learning to trust some people. Towards the end of the GoF, he goes 
to D
> on his own when his scar starts burning. He also talks with Sirius 
about
> his problems with Ron...the only person he's talked with about that 
is
> Hermione. He's growing...though he may never fully trust anyone.
 
Poor Harry... He's not able to trust *himself* fully, though he does 
trust Sirius, Dumbledore, Hermione and Ron - and some other Weasleys 
(Molly, Arthur and twins).