TEWWWW EWWWWW to be trEWWWW (WASRe: LOLLIPOPS, Timeline, WL3 )

[lucky_kari]

No: HPFGUIDX 34862

A new theory! Known henceforward as "Too EWWWWWW to be trEWWWW."

Voldemort planned to hand Lily over to Severus....... Let me just wrap 
my mind about that one.

Where did Voldie learn that Severus had a think for Lily? 

But, its EWWWWWWness is beter than some of the other EWWWWWWW 
theories, because Severus apparently would say EWWWWWWWW too. 

It would give Voldemort another dimension of villainy. And, it's not a 
bad plot twist either. Tolkien used it twice very nicely. Of course, 
the dif. would be that Severus wouldn't have been in on the 
plot.

But it is EWWW. Isn't it? And hardly childrens' material.

Eileen


--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "judyserenity" <judyshapiro at e...> wrote:
> Marina wrote, regards to the theory that Snape left the DEs because 
of 
> Lily:
> > > There's also a timing problem: Snape was a spy for some time 
> > > before James and Lily died, so for a threat to Lily's life to 
> > > become a motivator for Snape changing sides, there would have to 
> > > be a lengthy gap between Voldemort deciding to kill the Potters 
> > > and actually doing it. 
> 
> In response, Cindy proposed an extensive timeline to get around this 
> problem.
> 
> But, before we go any further on this timeline discusison, let me 
> point out that, as far as I can recall, we actually have no info on 
> how long Snape spied for Dumbledore.  Sirius says that Peter spied 
for 
> a year (I don't know why the Lexicon would have it as two years), 
but 
> I'm fairly sure there is nothing about how long Snape spied.  
> Dumbledore says Snape turned to the "light side" before the fall of 
> Voldy.  I took that to mean *right before* the fall of Voldy, but 
> that's just my interpretation. 
> 
> 
> Mahoney said:
> > Petty and mean [Snape] may be on an everyday basis, but when it 
> > comes to the *big* stuff, you don't have to bribe him with the 
> > object of his obsession to do the right thing, you know? 
> 
> Well, I certainly think Snape turned to Dumbledore's side because of 
> some altruistic reason, otherwise why would Dumbledore trust him?  
And 
> I am a big subscriber both to the basic LOILLIPOPS theory (which is 
> that Snape was in love with Lily), and the idea that it was this 
love 
> of Lily that brought Snape to Dumbledore's side.  However, as I've 
> said before, I *don't* think Snape actually expected any sort of 
> relationship with Lily as his reward for turning to Dumbledore's 
side. 
>  I think he just finally realized how evil the DEs were, when he had 
> to think about their effects on someone he actually cared about.  
> 
> In fact, let me now theorize that Snape *gave up* the chance to be 
> with Lily when he switched to Dumbeldore's side.  Suppose Voldy has 
 
> a strong reason to kill James and Harry (I like the theory that they 
> are the last descendents of Godric Gryffindor.)  He doesn't have a 
> real reason to kill Lily, but then, when does Voldy need a reason to 
> kill someone?  However, Voldy discovers that one of his followers 
> [Snape] is in love with her.  We know that Voldy believes in 
rewarding 
> his followers (and if he didn't, he probably wouldn't have any.)  
So, 
> he tells Snape that he plans to kill James and Harry, put Lily under 
> Imperio (or give her an amnesia potion or something), and make her 
> think she's married to Snape.  
> 
> At this point, let me say that even as someone who is infatuated 
with 
> Snape, this theory has a very strong eewwwww factor.  It just seems 
> like an absolutely awful thing to do, kill a woman's husband and 
child 
> and make her think she's married to a man who is, in fact, an enemy 
of 
> her real husband.  Let's suppose it also bothers Snape, who already 
> was quite distressed at the thought of killing Lily's family.  So, 
he 
> doesn't go along with it, but of course he can't tell Voldy that. 
> Instead, Snape goes to Dumbledore to protect the Potters, but his 
> efforts come to naught because of Wormtail.
> 
> This theory, has some advantages, even if it is too ewww to be 
trewww 
> [great name, Tabouli!]  It gives a reason for Voldy to try to spare 
> Lily's life.  (Of course, he doesn't try all that hard, but why 
offer 
> her a chance to live at all?  Won't she dedicate her life to 
stopping 
> him, if he kills her family and leaves her memory intact?)  It also 
is 
> a strong enough test of Snape's character that Dumbledore would 
later 
> trust him.  I mean, if Snape just said "You know, I finally decided 
I 
> don't like this whole muggle-killing thing, can I join you?" 
wouldn't 
> Dumbledore have thought Snape was trying to infiltrate his side?
> 
> On the subject of whether LOLLIPOPS, in general, is "ewwww", let me 
> say that I've never imagined Snape pining away in his dungeon, 
writing 
>  "SS & LE 4-ever" all over the walls.  If fact, I imagine him as 
> showing no outward signs of his unrequited love at all, throwing 
> himself into his work.  Of course, he'd still have undying hatred 
for 
> the man who killed Lily (not that Voldy is a *man*, exactly.)  Snape 
> is good at the whole undying hatred thing.
> 
> By the way, on the topic of "Why did Lily's love protect Harry", let 
> me theorize that it was because Lily gave up a chance to survive.  
> Yes, Voldy probably attacked whole families before, and other 
parents 
> died to protect their children, but Voldy was going to kill the 
> parents *anyway*, so their deaths did not constitute a voluntary 
> sacrifice.  Lily may have been one of the few people on the opposing 
> side of a battle with Voldy, whom Voldy was willing to spare. 
> 
> 
> On another topic, Cindy said she was "going on record to agree with 
> Judy that Mrs. Crouch never *did* her son."
> 
> Thanks, Cindy!  I needed the show of support!
> 
> -- Judy