Snape/Lily & Snape & DE's Reprise

[koinonia02]

No: HPFGUIDX 35021

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Tabouli" (also known as Lily) wrote:

> Koinonia:
> > I don't even mind a story with a tragic romance and I do 
> like some smoochy stuff.  What I don't like is this picture of 
Snape 
> being so in love with Lily that he turned into this DE who is now 
> just a bitter man.  What a boring story IMHO.

>Tabouli: 
> Boring?  Acchhh, I think you're taking too simplistic an approach 
>here.  Perhaps I should boil the whole LOLLIPOPS creed down to this: 
>something horrible and unknown happened to Snape as a child which 
>left him bitter, insecure and resentful, to the extent of learning 
>curses to avenge and protect himself.  Victimised, abused and, 
>inside, deeply lonely, he was very susceptible to falling painfully 
>in love with a girl who seemed strong and smart enough to save him 
>and, for the first time, showed him the kindness he secretly needed. 
>When she chose someone else, he just continued in the direction 
>where he was already heading. Hence tragic childhood as real reason, 
>Lily as catalyst.

Why does it have to be Lily?  I find that to be boring but I wouldn't 
mind Snape being in love with someone else.  I just get tired of 
Snape being the ugly, mean, ignorant fool who had a crush on the 
lovely, wonderful Lily.  I just don't want the story going in that 
direction.  Here we have Harry who is wonderful, Hermione who is the 
smartest person to walk the face of the earth for some time, 
Ron...well Ron is Ron ( I am for let's give Ron a break), the 
handsome-it-doesn't-matter-if-I-tried-to-kill-Sirius, the calm and 
cool, great Professor Lupin, the brave and popular James, the 
beautiful Lily, and so on.  Then here is Slytherin Snape who falls 
for Lily and that sort of makes him a sorry, pitiful figure cause 
after all surely Snape didn't think that someone such as Lily could 
love him.  Ewwwwww! Just the thought is terrible. *sigh*  

I also want to say that I truly love Harry, Hermione, Ron, Sirius, 
Lupin, James, and Lily.  I just like Snape much better and I'm hoping 
for something better than unrequited love making Snape turn into a DE.
 
> Snape reminds me of the "ex-loser" I described above, who is 
>similarly brilliant, bitter, vengeful and long-term grudge-bearing, 
>and did indeed have a rather bleak childhood and got bullied in high 
>school.......Quite alarming.....  And clung to the crush for 
>absolute years, 
> 
> OK, so Snape wouldn't be as forthcoming about his feelings as that, 
>but otherwise, the symptoms are there...

I'll say it again, is this really what Snape is all about.  Clinging 
to a teenage crush for all these years, turning into a DE and then 
becoming so terribly mean to everyone because of this unrequited 
teenage crush.  Is Snape this weak of a person?  If that is all there 
is to Snape then I will be disappointed in such a shallow man. There 
has to be something else that drives this man besides unrequited 
love.  
 
> Tabouli (who realises with some worry that the above implies she is 
>projecting herself into Lily's shoes... eeeg!)

No comment  ;--) lol

Porphyria said in Message 35008:
>Given that Draco is a whiny, privileged kid, I think Snape's habit 
>of letting him get away with everything is really a little fishy.

I hate to cut anything out of this wonderful post about Snape and 
Malfoy because I agree with all of it. 

I do believe that Snape likes Draco (could definitely be wrong) yet 
Snape is using Draco for a reason we just don't know yet.

>It seems more to me that what Snape does is curry Draco's favor in a 
>way that, if Draco were smarter, he'd hold with some suspicion.

Yep.  Forgive me for just saying I agree.

>...I can't help but imagine that the Movement foreshadows something 
>further in the future than Fudge's reaction.  I mean, given that his 
>gesture is a little mysterious and all (the working "sudden 
>movement" is deliberately vague), shouldn't it indicate more than 
>what is depicted a few minutes later in this very scene?

>My take on this: I think Snape and Lucius are headed for a day of 
>reckoning.

Yes, yes, yes.  I have said this forever.

>The text keeps hinting at something along these lines.  Snape's 
>evident fondness for Draco, whether it's real or fake, has to be 
>headed somewhere...

>There's gotta be plot potential here...so if we agree that Snape's 
>sudden movement is directly in response to the mention of Lucius' 
>name...

I believe this a huge clue that there is some kind of connection 
between Snape and Lucius but I know there are many who don't think 
the sudden movement means anything.

>and that it communicates some sort of strong emotion other than 
>naive surprise that Lucius, shocker of shockers, is still a loyal 
>DE, well...to me this points to some sort of interesting fireworks 
>between the two in a future setting. Maybe I just really want to see 
>these guys pitting their respective propensities for menace against 
>each other.

I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that Snape was surprised 
that Lucius was at the DE meeting.  Nah.  There's something else and 
I also can't wait to find out what it is.

>Do we know anyone who was a DE back in the day who might have had a 
>talent for brewing particularly nasty, illegal, specialized-function 
>poisons?  I mean the Borgias had their court-poisoner, so why not 
>the aristocratic Malfoy's?  Well, there you go, that's my theory for 
>what Snape's particular DE function used to be.  Plus that drawing-
>room chamber is just too intriguing to not come up again.  I think 
>these things will tie together.  Snape and Lucius have a history 
>which will come back into play in a big hairy way.

I also believe Snape's function as a DE had to do with potions.  
However, I don't know if it only had to do with poison.  Just look at 
all the other things that potions can do.  Maybe Snape has some 
inside info as to just what it will take to defeat Voldemort.  
Dumbledore has Snape at Hogwarts for some reason and I think the main 
one is his expertise in potions. 

The first time I read of that chamber room I figured we would see it 
again.  I wouldn't be surprised if Harry visited that room.  

I know I haven't added much to what Porphyria had to say.  I was just 
excited to see someone else say what I have thought for so long in a 
much better way than I could ever say.  I don't like Lucius Malfoy 
but I love talking about him. 

Dear Amy Z welcomed me back a couple of months ago:  Thanks!

Koinonia