Ginny in general/The point of discussing here/lots of things WAS: Ginny/diary

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No: HPFGUIDX 35070

(snip elfundeb and Uncmark's discussion of Ginny being duped by 
Riddle and his diary, though they eventually seem to agree she should 
not be blamed for it--as did Dumbledore)

elfundeb wrote:

> > Now, would Ginny crack?  If Ginny was already caught by Riddle's 
> > diary -- not once but twice -- doesn't this make her a prime 
> > candidate for cracking?  After all, she's already cracked twice.  
> > But maybe we're missing one point.  If Riddle's diary exerts such 
> > control over the possessor, how was Ginny able to throw it away?  
> > Doesn't this demonstrate that she had developed some ability to 
> > resist?  Now that she's older, more experienced and more wary, I 
> > think it might be much harder to make her crack a third time.
> 
> 

Uncmark replied:

This echoes an earlier post of mine where I asserted that Ginny 
> was 'marked' by LV much like Harry was with his scar. She has faced 
> her worst fear (WITHOUT the support of 2 great friends) and is a 
much 
> stronger character for it.
> 
> She's probably matured more than Harry, who resented Cedric because 
> of Cho and almost missed a VITAL clue in GofF. Meanwhile Ginny went 
> from the giggling child with her elbow in the butter to the girl 
who 
> politely refused his invite to the Yule Ball. "I can't...I'm going 
> with... with Neville. He asked me when Hermione said no. I thought 
> I'm not going to be able to go otherwise. I'm not in 4th year."
> 
> Ginny does not cry or yell, although she's described as 'going 
> scarlet' and 'looking miserable'. She's gentle with Harry's 
feelings, 
> something her year older brother was completely oblivious to in his 
> treatment of Hermione. Ginny allowed herself to have genuine fun at 
> the Yule Ball. Something Ron and Harry couldn't do, pouting and 
> pining for Hermione & Cho.
> 
> As girls of their teens are much more mature than boys of the same 
> age I think Ginny would be a much better match than Cho Chang. Cho 
is 
> a full year older than Harry and I suspect she was in real love 
with 
> Cedric and might not like Harry to be around as a constant reminder 
> of Cedric.

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Ahem, first of all, Ms. ladjables (Ama, yes? I'm sorry I'm not 
certain), no need for the grovelling at all.  I was definitely over 
the line on my calling out that it was my theory (MINE, I tell 
you!).  The polite thing would have been to say nothing, and I 
apologize for being a jerk.

Now, onto my favorite pet topic of Ginny, the girl who will in fact 
be at Harry's side, probably starting in Book VI (though it might 
start to show up in Book V) through Book VII if he dies, and after 
book VII married to him if he lives.  Don't worry, the canon evidence 
is coming, even if beautiful, wondrous Uncmark and elfundeb have 
already provided so much of it already.

(Of course, I could just be prejudiced because I've recently written 
a fanfic about this, but all the same...I think the ideas hold water)

My basic point of take-off for the H/G ship is in their common bond 
in having encountered Riddle/Voldemort.  I note that it is not at all 
the same thing to encounter Riddle as it is to encounter V.  Yet, I 
say, the same person is certainly responsible for the worst portions 
of each of their lives, and only they have come face-to-face with 
dear old R/V and lived to tell the tale recently.  (Just ask Cedric's 
ghost about that one)  I feel that their survival of these encounters 
shows a similar kind of fundamental strength, and a root in 
unbelievable stamina and kindness.  I was only more convinced of this 
when I was reminded by Uncmark that Ginny both attempted to throw 
away the diary AND cough up the truth (under the duress of being 
controlled by the Darkest wizard of them all).  Her self-worth and 
generosity only skyrocket for me in GoF when she refuses the dream 
date with Harry (obvious that it's still the dream date because she 
looks miserable, etc. when Harry brings up Cho and Ginny has to say 
she's going with Neville).  I understand those who want the Ginny, 
Neville combo, but I feel that for Harry's and Ginny's mutual 
benefit, their ship is best.  Only they will REALLY be able to 
comfort/soothe/understand each other when it comes to old Voldie.

Mind you, I DO NOT like the idea of Ginny-as-girlfriend-and-that's-
her-whole-identity.  No, no, no, NO!  We need to see more development 
in her personally and character.  I believe that OotP will do this 
for her.  She will truly come in to her own, and then in the next 
book, we can try to get some Filibusters going between H and G.  I 
believe Rowling has said Ginny will play a bigger part in OotP, and I 
think this foreshadows her culmination into a driving force in 
Harry's life.  Some think it's because Ginny is doomed in OotP.  To 
them I say...feh.  I really don't think this is possible.  Pit her 
against Riddle, show her obvious strength and love...then kill her 
off in Book V.  Nope, not a satisfying story arc.  Maybe she COULD 
die in VII...maybe, but not now.  Another thing, Cho will be around 
one more year in OotP, and I think it's necessary to show Harry's 
relinquishment of this crush (which probably is slightly hampered by 
his involvement in her recent boyfriend's/love's/good 
friend's/whatever's death) before he can move on the next year into 
any sort of successful romantic relationship.  I also think 
Ron's/Hermione's inevitable hook-up is good in that it isolates Harry 
even more in a story about Harry's isolation, his loneliness, his 
solitude.  Add it up, and Ginny and Harry are each other's comfort in 
a cruel, Voldemort-terrified world.  How this will effect the 
chemistry between HRH is difficult to analyze, but I think Rowling 
can do it with grace.

Onto something else for those sick of ships *coughElkinscough*, I was 
pondering the merit of discussion in general on these boards.  
Occasionally, it seems as though things only go in cycles (especially 
after one and a half years--darn you and your need to have a 
relationship with your new husband and your daughter, J.K. Rowling--
without new material).  I wonder what people come back here for after 
all this time (not that I've been here long by any means, but even in 
this short time, it comes around and around--Snape is thus and such, 
Sirius is this and that).  I think one reason people keep coming back 
is that they hope to have new insights pointed out (nice job, Elkins, 
pointing out Avery's mysteriousness in GoF in terms of no physical 
description and his possibility as fourth defendant in the Pensieve 
scene).  Another is to convince people of their own viewpoint (though 
judyserenity's viewpoint of Sirius is enough to prove that is not 
often possible--try as I and others might).  I think that one of the 
biggest ones actually is to be able to strut around after a pet 
theory turns out to be true in a future book (if Avery turns out to 
be a head villain in OotP or VI, we'll see at least a smile, if not 
the hugest laugh in the history of Harry Potter discussion).  I guess 
I'm here to see if anyone believes in my own viewpoints and also to 
see if people have viewpoints I can ascribe to (like LOLLIPOPS for 
isntance, which I of course do now ascribe to in as "ewww"-free a 
form as I can conceive of).  What are other people really here for?

I recall someone asking about other Dark spells, and I immediately 
thought of Morsmordre, but off the top of my head, that's it.  Any 
other examples people can think of?

I had more to say, but I think I'll leave it here for now.  I'd just 
like to announce my newly-unmoderated status *does strut similar to 
one he will do when G/H ship is proved true* and say thanks to 
everyone.  It's been a very interesting couple of weeks of 
discussion.  Let's keep going.

Devin