[HPforGrownups] Re: Avery, Voldemort's Wand, Timeline (WAS Avery and Ambu...

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In a message dated 16/02/02 02:57:42 GMT Standard Time, Cornet83 at aol.com 
writes:


> back to the theory though...
> 
> Now Pettigrew was the Potter's secret keeper and though Im now expert 
> on the Fidelius charm Im guessing that in order for Voldemort to 
> reach the Potters the secret keeper had to not only tell the location 
> of the protected people but accompany the searcher as well. After 
> Voldie dispatches of the Potters (I wont go as far as to speculate 
> how he did it, or who did it, or who died first, Im a newbie afterall)
> old Peter keeps the wand, either as a way to try and show voldemort 
> his loyalty later on ("but my Lord, I kept your wand faithfully while 
> awaiting your return") or for sonme other reason.  Of course then 
> Peter has no problem of delivering the wand to V. and V. still has 
> his old wand.
> 
> Now there is no canon to back me up and this is all purely 
> specualtion but what does everyone think? 
> 

Cindy:

>Eileen again (on whether Avery had anything to do with Voldemort's 
>wand):

>> We could have it.
>> 
>> 1. Pettigrew picks up wand.
>> 2. Gives it to Voldemort.
>> 
>> OR
>> 
> 1. Avery picks up wand 
> 2. Gives to Crouch Jr.
> 3. Confiscated by Crouch Sr., who keeps it around just in case.
> 4. Voldemort gets it back when he visits the Crouch residence.

But . . . but . . . Voldemort is a vapor, a cloud of gas, a stench on 
the back of Quirrell's turban or some such.  Voldemort can't have 
possession of his wand until the beginning of GoF.  Indeed, he 
remarks that possessing snakes wasn't his cup of tea because their 
slimy little no-hands bodies aren't great for magic, IIRC.  So Avery 
has to give it to someone who doesn't wind up in Azkaban.  

::Cindy, having had a good night's sleep and now being willing to 
tackle this issue, squares her shoulders::

The obvious choices:

Bagman
Malfoy
McNair

Krystyne:
>Now here's where you messed up. You must remember that Peter 
>transformed himself into a rat the day after the Potters were killed 
>when Sirius went to confront him. He couldn't have possibly kept it. 
>If it was that, then why didn't he have his own? Now a possibilty is 
>that Peter hid it in some unknown place, maybe hoping Voldemort would 
>rise again. I'd probably buy that though. Oh well. Maybe we'll never 
>know.

Thank you, my dear. Someone else has recognised this problem! (you posted 
this after I had written the following)

Time for some more character assasination, I feel.

Right... I was polishing up my trusty old Spy Glass the other day whilst 
contemplating my current obsession which no-one else seems to share ( is it 
that the answer's obvious, or that no-one has any ideas?) - what happened to 
Pettigrew's wand?- when a figure came swimming into view: none other than the 
MOM himself, Cornelius Fudge. 
Now, I've always been inclined to give old Cornelius the benefit of the 
doubt, just stupid or blind (perhaps he needs Corneal grafts? Sorry, couldn't 
resist that, one of the worst experiences of my life was scrubbing for that 
procedure for a particularly nasty ophthalmic surgeon who could out-Snape 
Snape). But I wonder....

First the evidence.
We assume that animagi's wands transform with them, along with their clothes, 
don't we?
But Pettigrew shows no sign of being armed in the Shreiking Shack and in the 
graveyard, uses Voldemort's wand.
No wand is reported as found at the scene of the muggle massacre, although 
robes and Pettigrew's finger are.
Voldemort is disembodied and cannot carry a wand.
So there are potentially, between the events surrounding the Potters' deaths 
and GoF, *two* missing wands, one of which doesn't reappear.
Who is one of the first on the scene after Pettigrew's disappearing trick? 
Young Cornelius Fudge.
Karkaroff tells us in the Pensieve scene that Rookwood had a *network* of 
well-placed wizards , both in the MOM and out. The only one of these we know 
of so far (IIRC) is Bagman. 
As MOM, Fudge takes a *very* hands-on approach to finding Harry and capturing 
Sirius.
He is far too friendly with Lucius Malfoy
The secret chamber under the Malfoy's living room doesn't appear to have been 
searched, despite Harry and Ron finding out about it in CoS and Ron's 
determination to tell his father.
He has an elevated view of the superiority of pure-blood and proper wizarding 
pride which is uncomfortably close to Voldemort's doctrine.
Cindy points out,
>Avery, however, gets out quickly -- as soon as Fudge 
>takes over.

So... What if Fudge was one of Rookwood's network? He could have been in on 
Pettigrew's diappearance, which has all the hallmarks of being planned 
(albeit, it must have been arranged rapidly, and was another of those plans 
which could so easily have gone wrong) and could have framed Sirius.
Think for a moment. One of the biggest problems with Pettigrew's escape plan 
is the evidence which Sirius' wand could give via *prior incantato*. Sirius' 
descent into hysteria and his guilt-induced 'confession'  couldn't be 
predicted. If he had kept calm and demanded that his wand be allowed to give 
its evidence, his innocence might have been demonstrated instantly. 
What if someone (Fudge) substituted the guilty wand for Sirius' wand. No 
danger of the verdict (not that it came to trial) being overturned. No danger 
of any deranged tale that it was really Pettigrew who had killed the muggles 
being believed.
So that could be where Pettigrew's wand ended up.
Now there is also the possibility that Pettigrew *has* rescued Voldemort's 
wand from the rubble. Could this too, be passed on to Fudge, who then could 
have returned it to Pettigrew after his escape from Harry et al. 
Alternatively, Fudge could have passed it on to Lucius Malfoy to add to his 
collection of Voldemort memorabilia.

What about this hands-on approach to finding Harry and Sirius? 
If Fudge knows that Sirius is innocent, then he might want to get to Harry 
first, to find him before Sirius can convince him of his innocence, which 
could than be reported straight back to Dumbledore. He also of course wants 
to make sure that Sirius is eliminated, so that his own complicity in the 
plot doesn't come to light. No wonder he wants to give Snape the Order of 
Merlin - he's just saved his bacon.

So why his reaction to being told that Voldemort is back? Well, he hasn't 
exactly been a faithful servant has he?  Basically in this theory, he is a 
weak, foolish and self-interested man who has just swum with the tide, 
joining whichever side seemed to be in the ascendency, without the foresight 
to realise that the Dark Lord could rise again and without the moral fibre to 
face up to what he has done or attempt to make up for it. He doesn't want 
Voldemort back because it puts him on the wrong side. But joining Dumbledore 
means abandoning all those nice cosy assumptions he has, joining forces with 
groups he'd rather ostracise and the running the risk of being uncovered.

I admit the evidence is circumstantial, but it *could* work....couldn't it?

>Cindy -- finding it lonely in the Ambush-On-Dumbledore's-Orders camp, 
>the Reverse-Memory-Charm camp, the Bagman-Is-A-DE camp, the Sirius-
>Was-Having-His-Way-With-Florence camp, and the Snape-Has-A-Debt-To-
>James camp, but consoling herself by eating all of the Smores 
>singlehandedly

Well, there are at least two of us huddling together for warmth in the Bagman 
is a DE camp and of course Snape has a debt to James, doesn't he? What have I 
been missing?
I think it highly probable that Dumbledore did order ambushes - even bloody 
ones! - but I don't think that demanding Snape gave up his friends (I'm still 
not convinced how close he was to them, anyway) is his style. No, I think 
Snape would have provided the info voluntarily once he'd changed sides. Yes, 
I think Dumbledore may have asked him to do *something* to prove his loyalty, 
but I don't think he would necessarily specify what (and again, I think that 
Snape would have realised that some proof was needed and would have 
volunteered it). And I think that the proof  was probably something really 
personal. Perhaps that's where Florence comes in? 

And what are Smores anyway? Can I try one, please?

Eloise (fearing she's marooned herself on a desert island, tossing a few 
sticks on the campfire and hoping that someone might visit now and then.)



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