[HPforGrownups] Re: Fudge is Way Evil and I have the acronyms to prove it

[Edblanning at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 35681

Pippin comments on my comments on Dicentra's post.
This got a bit unclear as to who said what, so I'll clarify.

Dicentra:
> > > The rest of the evidence against Fudge is more 
> circumstantial, but I 
> > > find it convincing nonetheless. Page 707.
> > > 
> > > "'The rest of us sleep less soundly in our beds, Cornelius, 
> knowing 
> > > that you have put Lord Voldemort's most dangerous 
> supporters in the 
> > > care of creatures who will join him the instant he asks them!' 
> said 
> > > Dumbledore."
> > > 
> > > Or in other words, putting the dementors in Azkaban was 
> Fudge's idea. 
> > > Hmmm. Is it possible that Fudge's affinity with the dementors 
> is a by-
> > > product of his true loyalties? Why put them there in the first 
> place? 
> > > That I don't know, but as a side note, it means they weren't 
> there 
> > > when Sirius Black was first put into Azkaban, nor were they 
> there 
> > > when the Aurors were catching DEs during and shortly after 
> > > Voldemort's Reign of Terror. It also means that the 
> dementors were 
> > > preying mostly on Voldemort's supporters, formerly their 
> allies. 
> > > Creepy.> 

Me (Eloise)

> > And the Lestranges won't thank him for that!

Pippin:

> 
> Fudge didn't get to be Minister until *after* Crouch had been 
> discredited, his  son was found out and his wife and son had 
> "died". Sirius, in GoF ch 27 p529," ..so Cornelius Fudge got the 
> top job." There were already Dementors at the Pensieve trials, 
> bringing people from Azkaban,  so they were already there when 
> Fudge took over. I think Dumbledore's words are only to convince 
> Fudge that he'll be held responsible, as the politician who "lost" 
> Azkaban, if the Dementors defect. 

Quite right, Pippin. Didn't check back on this.

Me:
> > 
> > I also go on to suggest that around this time  Pettigrew passes 
> on 
> > Voldemort's wand which he has rescued (but without a clear 
> view as to where 
> > it end up for the next 13 years. Hey, what if Fudge has it stored 
> in the MoM, 
> > where young Crouch manages to gain access to it via his 
> imperio'd father?)

Pippin
> 
> No good. Voldemort's wand killed Bertha Jorkins and Frank 
> Bryce *before* young Crouch was rescued. The best I can figure 
> is that hysterical Sirius broke his own wand, Pettigrew destroyed 
> or vanished his (as any murderer would dispose of the weapon), 
> and that Voldemort's wand was found at Godric's Hollow by the 
> Ministry and  later recovered by Pettigrew, who left a fake wand in 
> its place. 
> 
> Pippin
> F.U.D.

Right again, Pippin. I'll go back to my earlier suggestion, that Voldy's has 
been in Lucius Malfoy's collection of Voldemort memorabilia,or otherwise 
concealed.
But still think its very suspicious that Fudge was one of the first on the 
scene, and that hair brained scheme to frame Sirius whilst disappearing 
actually worked. But *why* would Sirius, even if hysterical, break his own 
wand? That one doesn't work for me. And how did Pettigrew rescue Voldy's wand 
from the ministry? Oh, as a rat, I suppose. Mmm....I need to think about that.

I will return then to my original list of reasons for suspecting Fudge:

>We assume that animagi's wands transform with them, along with their 
clothes, >don't we?
>But Pettigrew shows no sign of being armed in the Shreiking Shack and in the 
>graveyard, uses Voldemort's wand.
>No wand is reported as found at the scene of the muggle massacre, although 
robes >and Pettigrew's finger are.
>Voldemort is disembodied and cannot carry a wand.
>So there are potentially, between the events surrounding the Potters' deaths 
and >GoF, *two* missing wands, one of which doesn't reappear.
>Who is one of the first on the scene after Pettigrew's disappearing trick? 
Young >Cornelius Fudge.
>Karkaroff tells us in the Pensieve scene that Rookwood had a *network* of 
well->placed wizards , both in the MOM and out. The only one of these we know 
of so far >(IIRC) is Bagman. 
>As MOM, Fudge takes a *very* hands-on approach to finding Harry and 
capturing >Sirius.
>He is far too friendly with Lucius Malfoy
>The secret chamber under the Malfoy's living room doesn't appear to have 
been >searched, despite Harry and Ron finding out about it in CoS and Ron's >
determination to tell his father.
>He has an elevated view of the superiority of pure-blood and proper 
wizarding pride >which is uncomfortably close to Voldemort's doctrine.
>>Cindy points out,
>>Avery, however, gets out quickly -- as soon as Fudge 
>>takes over.

This is the evidence I cited. I don't want to repeat the entire post (35393) 
in which I spelled out the implications, but it was from these facts that I 
deduced my theory.

Jferer:

>Guys, you need evidence for this stuff. Sometimes we just gotta accept 
>that we don't know.

We've got plenty of evidence . It's just that it's kind 
of....well...circumstantial :-)

Look, loads of the stuff we churn out is based on the flimsiest of evidence, 
isn't it? Some of it is, dare I say, completely non-canonical.
But as someone (Dicentra?) said, we need something to do until OoTP comes 
out, and Fudge, Bagman et al are proved to be blameless citizens, Severus 
flies off to Transylvania, Voldemort reveals his lifelong passion for 
ballroom dancing,  etc, etc, etc. If we're wrong, we're wrong. Fine. We can 
just seek out Alastor Moody and drown our sorrows over a few butterbeers, 
whilst discussing all those ones that got away.

Dicentra, I want that cape and pipe back. Now. I can't do dramatic swirls 
with only a deerstalker.

Eloise.









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