SHIP: R/H, H/H

[Penny & Bryce]

No: HPFGUIDX 34022

Hi --

jchutney wrote:

> 
> I just find it odd that JKR hasn't (IMO) even dropped hints of H/H
> if they are meant to be post Bk7. And I do think, at the very least,
> JKR has set-up hints of R/H and H/G. I've already discussed R/H.
> With H/G, there is the physical similarity to James-Lily, the fact
> that they were both "touched" by Voldemort, Ginny's longstanding
> (especially for a teen!) crush.  In no way, I am saying H/G WILL or
> SHOULD get together.  I am only saying that JKR has dropped a few
> hints that they MIGHT be.

Well, my interpretation is that these "hints" are, at the moment, of 2 
one-sided crushes, both held by the 2 youngest Weasleys.  <g>  Sure, 
Ginny has a crush on Harry.  Whoop-de-doo.  All teenagers have crushes; 
it's quite rare in real life for someone to hook up permanently with 
their first real crush though.

> 
> LOL!  You should be a defense lawyer!

I am.  A lawyer that is.  <g>

 I addressed ONLY what we know
> to be true. Hermione invited Ron to ask her out.

 You supplied an
> unsubstantiated context for why she would ask him to do so EVEN
> though she really does NOT want him to?

Unsubstantiated context?  No, the context is substantiated.  It's clear 
that Ron said, in the presence of Hermione & to her great irritation, 
that he wanted to go to the Ball with the "prettiest girl who'd have 
him."  Hermione left the room in a huff, and IMO, this is because her 
feminist sensibilities were disturbed by Ron's remarks.  He then said 
some cruel & nasty things to her at the Ball; his remarks were so mean 
and off-base that they made Harry uncomfortable enough to speak up. 
That *is* the context of their post-Ball argument.

  Our opinions of Hermione
> diverge here.  I don't think Hermione is as controlled by her
> emotions as Ron is.  Even in PoA, when Hermione hit Draco, she seemed
> to be making a logical choice!  LOL!

I guess our opinions do diverge as I didn't see her using logic when she 
punched Draco, and I see little evidence of cool-headed logic in her 
retorts to Ron during their argument.

  Also, if the real issue
> addressed her is Hermione's disloyalty to Gryffindor, than why
> doesn't Ron get on her for not going on with Neville?

Ron's motives aren't in doubt.  I don't think it *was* her supposed 
disloyalty to Hogwarts that prompted Ron's remarks.  I think it was 
quite clearly romantic jealousy.


> Oh, I so don't see Hermione as some heartsick schoolgirl swooning
> over her true love.  She's too smart for that!  J  No doubt, she
> wants to throttle him half the time.  However, why should she invite
> him to ask her out if she intends to turn him down?

When she made her remark in an argument, the "next Ball" isn't exactly 
around the corner.  Even if she *was* inviting him to ask her out & was 
interested in dating him *at that time,* who's to say she still would be 
by the time of the "next" Ball?

I'm not saying that Hermione was deliberately cruel.  I think she'd been 
hurt by Ron's remarks and they *were* arguing.  She wouldn't have been 
thinking dispassionately at all.  It also might not have been clear to 
her what the real reason was (Ron's interest in her) until after her 
head had cleared after their argument.  Maybe she went back up to her 
room and thought "Oh, dear.  Oh, no."  :::shrugs::: It's possible.

 If H were clear about
> R's feeling and if they were unwelcome to her, surely she would try
> and dispassionate and kind way to let him down.

And maybe she will.  In OOP.  :--)

> 
> THIS is (IMO) the REAL reason there are so many H/Hers. Personally, I
> believe JKR is setting up H/R and is H/R "shipper". I could be wrong,
> but the evidence just points that way, to me. Yet there are many
> H/Hers, even though Harry has a crush on Cho and is desired by
> Ginny.  I think the H/Hers base their shipping on 2 big issues. #1
> Ron does not deserve Hermione. I can't argue with that. He doesn't.
> LOL! But just because he doesn't deserve her, doesn't mean he
> won't get her;). #2 Harry needs a witch worthy of him.  I agree that
> Hermione is far better than Ginny or Cho. However, just because
> she's the best, doesn't mean he'll fall for her.

That's a big over-simplification of the H/H position at large.  I could 
make some big over-reaching generalizations about the R/H'ers and the 
H/G'ers, but I'll refrain.  I don't like Ron, too true.  But many who 
sail my ship *do* like Ron and their shipping preference is not based on 
any dislike of Ron.  I think it's best to not make sweeping 
generalizations.

> 
> I guess I don't see Ron's feelings for Hermione ending. I am in
> college but I still love a former boyfriend from High School.  Just
> because it doesn't work out, it doesn't mean feelings end.  In
> addition, I think teens are capable of real love.

It would be a sweeping generalization for me to say that teens aren't 
capable of real love or that all romantic feelings always end.  BUT, 
speaking from the vantage point of my mid-30s, I can tell you that 
things do look different as the years wear on.  While one might always 
look at an old flame in a different way than a long-time purely platonic 
friend, people (most people) are capable of moving on with their lives. 
  I rather think Ron would fall into that category.  He's only 15!  JKR 
said, when asked if Harry would date Hermione or Ginny [in the 4th 
book]: "No, but he's only 14... he has plenty of time to change his 
mind."  This suggests to me that she isn't operating with a worldview 
that a first love is a permanent love in all cases or that all the 
teenaged relationships will end up in marriage.

Penny
(who really needs to do something *productive* & stop responding to 
shipping posts ....)