SHIP: Possibility Hermione has romantic feelings

[lucky_kari]

No: HPFGUIDX 34079

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Penny & Bryce <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> Hi --
> 
> Eileen said:
> 
> 
> >  > > 1. Hermione is a cruel insensitive girl who implies to  Ron 
that
> > she
> >  > > would go to a ball with him, knowing perfectly well what his
> > feelings
> >  > > are, when she wouldn't.
> >  > > 2. Hermione does return some of the interest.
> 
> I added:
> 
> >  >
> >  > OR
> >  >
> >  > 3.  Hermione, offended because her friend assumes that he can 
just
> > use
> >  > her as a last-ditch date when he can't get a "pretty girl" and 
then
> > even
> >  > more offended when said friend questions her ethics in choosing
> > another
> >  > date, throws off some remarks in the heat of an argument.  
Maybe she
> >  > would have phrased her remarks differently if they'd been 
having a
> > cool,
> >  > calm conversation.
> 
> Eileen responded with:
> 
> > 
> > This is just a slightly different rephrasing of #1.
> 
> No, cruel & insensitive = calculating; thrown off in the emotional 
heat 
> of an argument is *not* calculating.  #1 is the argument that (a) 
> Hermione knew at the time of the argument how Ron felt about her, 
and 
> (b) made a calculated decision in the course of an argument to hurt 
Ron 
> by implying that she would accept a date with him.  

Sorry, that's not what I meant by #1. I don't equate cruel and 
insensitive with calculating, though I can understand why a lot of 
people do (they often go together.) But, as I can be cruel and 
insensitive without being calculating, I don't buy it. BTW, I think 
Ron is often cruel and insensitive. I just don't buy Hermione either 
being so, or doing cruel and insensitive things even while she is 
angry. I've seen no evidence for this throughout the books, and in 
fact, base my love for her character off this positive virtue, one 
that I and Ron lack. 

> >> 4.  Hermione, who has a bit of romantic interest in more than one
> > boy
> >> (gasp!  Can teenage girls do *that*?!), sends off some mixed
> > signals.
> 
> > And this is just #2 all over again.
> 
> No, #2 is, I think, an argument that Hermione Likes Ron and is 
inviting 
> him to ask her out (wanted it all along) & has no romantic feelings 
for 
> any other males. 

No, #2 was Hermione does return some of the interest. I picked the 
word "some" for a reason. The scene obviously does not mean Ron and 
Hermione will get married or even date, but it is evidence for an R/H 
pairing. 

I rather think my point stands, though I'm sure others will disagree. 
Fire away! 


> We know that James & Lily both attended Hogwarts & were presumably 
the 
> same class year based on Hagrid's remark that they were Head Boy & 
Head 
> Girl in their time.  But, do we know that they dated at Hogwarts?  
Maybe 
> they only knew each other at Hogwarts & hooked up later on.  We 
don't 
> even know for sure *when* they married.  

We do know that it was very quickly out of Hogwarts because they were 
dead without a few years after being together for at least two years. 
Whether they completely got together at Hogwarts is a matter of 
debate, but it'd be stretching it, imho, to think it didn't start 
there. 

>We do know that Molly & Arthur 
> had some romantic relationship at Hogwarts, but do we know that 
they 
> never dated anyone else or that they married straight away after 
leaving 
> Hogwarts?  

No, we don't know this, but we do know they first got together in 
Hogwarts. This was in response to a question about whether school day 
romances can last. My answer was that in real life, usually not, but 
HP might be different based on a few things. 

>I'm curious where people have this idea that marriages are 
> young in the wizarding world, 
>and I'd be especially interested in any 
> canon evidence for Eileen's statement above that, in the wizarding 
> world, 18 yr olds are expected to take up the societal position of 
30 yr 
> olds.  Is this based on something in canon or just supposition or 
>opinion?

Marriage in any society is usually based on what age people 
completely settle down. The introduction of higher education, the 
unstable entry period into the workforce, has driven the marrying age 
way up compared to what it was 100 years ago, 50 years ago, or even 
20 years ago. OTOH, we have the wizard world, where there is no 
university, and people are expected to settle into careers right out 
of school, as far as we can see. Add to that the absurdly young age 
Lily and James Potter were married at, the fact that Molly and Arthur 
were a couple at Hogwarts, Viktor's seriousness in his relationship 
with Hermione. They all seem to fit in with what I already expected, 
and indeed with the norm for most of human history. It's only 
recently that the young adult has become "THE TEEN-AGER."

> As best I can tell, Ginny's relationship to the Trio is that of an 
> annoying younger sister who is actively excluded from their 
activities. 
>   I would think she's about on even footing with a complete 
outsider 
> frankly.

/me looks around for a GIANTCUSHION to use as a weapon. I think I'll 
leave that one alone. 

Eileen