[HPforGrownups] Re: Draco won't be a DE/You so sure about that?

[TaliaDawn3 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 41626

In a message dated 7/23/02 11:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bard7696 at aol.com writes:


> > 
> > When I see Draco, I see fierce loyalty.  I don't think he's capable 
> of 
> > disobeying his father.  IMHO, loyalty is a great quality - no 
> matter what 
> > you're loyal to.  Also, pride.  I'm a little on the crazy side, but 
> I think 
> > pride and loyalty are good qualities to have.
> > 
> > --Talia Dawn, who has been called ever-so-evil on many occasions 
> and *loves* 
> > Snape, Draco, and the Dark Lord
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Yes, the SS soldiers who threw the switches on the gas chambers in 
> Auschwitz and Buchenwald were certainly loyal.
> 
> Many Southern slaveowners had no problem tearing up over their 
> loyalty to the South, their mothers, and their way of life and then 
> whipping the skin off some slave who tried to escape (I guess the 
> slave showed disloyalty.)
> 
> The scumbags who flew planes into the World Trade Center were just 
> brimming with loyalty. 
> 
> Loyalty IS a good trait, but so is being able to think for yourself 
> and determine a value system for yourself. If you don't have the 
> second, the loyalty ends up being attached to a Hitler, a bin Laden, 
> a Jefferson Davis.
> 
> Or a Voldemort. 
> 
> Draco is incapable of disobeying his father?? OK, so what happens 
> when Lucius teaches Draco the AK curse and says: "Go kill the 
> mudblood."
> 
> If Draco does it, is he somehow showing a good quality? My answer is 
> that I hope he ends up in Azkaban, or better yet, in the same 
> hospital that the Longbottoms. 
> 
> Real courage and redemption is what Snape did. He saw the DE side, 
> and decided against it. Following vile orders may make you a good 
> soldier, but it sure as hell doesn't make you a good person.
> 
> Greatness defined as impact, a neutral term, on the world? Yes, 
> Voldemort has it. Draco has the potential, if he ever gets a spine.
> 
> But how in the world does that translate to something redeemable? 
> 
> And besides, don't you have to seek redemption first? Just imagine 
> for a second that you could have V-Mort appear in your living room 
> and you got to ask him if he wanted to be "redeemed."
> 
> My guess is that he'd bust a blood vessel (assuming he has any) from 
> laughing at the concept. He doesn't WANT to be redeemed. And I doubt 
> Lucius and those other KKK-clones in the DE circle care much about 
> it. At most, they want to be absolved, which means they get away with 
> it, but not redeemed.
> 
> Now, does Draco someday want redemption? Maybe, but certainly not 
> based on anything we've read so far.
> 
> This whole word "redemption" has been misused quite a bit out here.
> 
> It means to change for the better or to atone for past sins. 
> (Webster's) Where so far does anyone see anything Draco, LET ALONE 
> VOLDEMORT, has said, done, thought, or insinuated that they have any 
> interest or ability in doing this?. 
> 
> Darrin
> -- Voldemort is going to lose in the end. DEAL WITH IT!

Actually, I was merely commenting on the "Draco has no good qualities." 
comment.  Not the Reedemable!Draco.  If Draco were redeemable, the series 
would be boring.  I do not want HP to have a Stephen King 
"the-sun-came-up-and-the-monster-died" ending.  Not all people are 
redeemable.  Draco will be a DE - and a damn good one at that - because he 
was raised to follow his father.  And the whole 
"think-for-yourself-and-have-a-value-system" thing, that is the Malfoy's 
system.  They think along the same lines as Voldemort.  That's why they're 
loyal to him.  They believe what he does.  They don't want redemption.  As 
much as I love Snape (and I do, he's the best character in the whole series!) 
he went to the other side because of fear, whether it was fear of his actions 
or fear of the consequences of said actions, and that makes me wonder where 
his loyalties truly lie.  Both sides are using him.  We just don't see it 
that way because Dumbledore is the good guy.  At least with Draco, we know 
where he stands.

~*~*~Talia Dawn~*~*~
--For the record, I've dealt with the fact that Voldemort will lose 
thankyouverymuch, and it makes me mad because I'm sick of reading stories 
where the good guys always win because they don't, as in the 
aforementioned-by-Darrin terrorists bombing the WTC - we're never gonna get 
rid of al-Qaeda and such and I don't know why we try to pretend that we will.

(p.s. are you guys serious about that book burning thing or is it an inside 
joke that i missed?)  


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