Warlock / Hag / Love Potions / wand hand / Homorphus / New Money

catlady_de_los_angeles catlady at wicca.net
Sun Jul 28 23:53:41 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 41831

Catherine gte510i wrote:
 
<< What is the difference between a warlock and a wizard? >>

bbhoy_mn wrote:

<< Not sure how relevant this is but Dumbledore is a member of both-
* International Confederation of Wizards (SS4, GF17)
* International Federation of Warlocks (PA3) >>

There is also "We would also ask you to remember that any magical 
activity that risks notice by members of the non-magical community 
(Muggles) is a serious offense under section 13 of the 

International Confederation of Warlocks'

 Statute of Secrecy." That's in CoS, the warning letter from Mafalda 
Hopkirk, but I used the Lexicon to find it: 
http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/index.html

My own theory is that ALL these references are to ONE organization, 
which is really named Confederation but lots of people call it 
Federation and which is really Of Warlocks but lots of people call it 
Of Wizards. I imagine that it used to be called Convention when it 
only met occassionally, before it became a permanent body, and was 
referred to by these quotes: "But it's against our laws," said Ron. 
"Dragon breeding was outlawed by the Warlocks' Convention of 1709, 
everyone knows that."  "Professor Binns, glancing up in the middle of 
a deadly dull lecture on the International Warlock Convention of 1289"
 
I believe that "warlock" is an elected representative (like an MP). 
If JKR knows that "warlock" means "oathbreaker", that could be a 
politician joke; otherwise, she was just using a word from the genre. 
This works with the examples of "warlock" that Boggles gave (thank 
you, Boggles, from sparing me from having to look them up myself 
again). As, [con]federation of warlocks made a law. As, Perkins is 
useless in the office because he got the job as a sinecure, provided 
to him by his old colleague who are still in office, after he lost 
re-election. The rowdy warlocks at the Leaky Cauldron are cutting 
loose because of not being in their own district. Ernie could be 
bragging that all his male ancestors were not merely wizards, but so 
influential or well-liked that they were ALL elected to Council.

It may have been named Wizards' Council, as referred to in QTTA and 
FB: the latter has footnote page x "The Wizards' Council preceded the 
Ministry of Magic." I really think it would better be named Warlocks' 
Council, as it included witches from an early date -- QTTA, Elfrida 
Clagge was Chief of the Wizards' Council in middle of 14th century. 
[IMHO, when Modesty Rabnott wrote in 1269: "Chief Bragge would have 
lost my vote if I'd had one", she was disenfranchised by a property 
requirement, not because of gender.] But I think it would be even 
better if the name were a pun on Witangemot, which was the name of 
something under the Saxon kings often referred to as their Parliament. 

My own theory on Dumbledore's titles (on his letterhead): "Order of 
Merlin, First Class, Grand Sorc., Chf. Warlock, Supreme Mugwump, 
International Confed. of Wizards" is that he is "Order of Merlin, 
First Class, Grand Soceror" which is the best rank of 
Order of Merlin:
First Class, Grand Sorceror 
First CLass, Sorceror 
First CLass 
Second Class
Third Class, 
and he is Chief Warlock (emeritus, but keeping the courtesy title) of 
the remnant of Wizards' Council that I suppose is subordinated to the 
Ministry of Magic (presumably it is the "they" who wanted Dumbledore 
to be Minister of Magic)

and he is "Supreme Mugwump" of the "International Confederation of 
Warlocks". Literally, "supreme mugwump" would be the biggest bigshot, 
but I have no idea what ICW means by the title, anything from 
chairwizard of a tiny subcommittee to Chairwizard Emeritus of the 
whole Convention to life peer... 

Catherine gte510i wrote:

 << Also, what exactly is a hag? >> 

Boggles is right about Hags:
<< Hags are monstrous women in the folktales of England and parts of 
Europe. (snip) Their stories usually involve them threatening to eat 
children, >>

FB indicates that Hags are non-human. Page xi of "What is a beast?" 
has a description of the chaos of assembling all two-legged magic 
critters whether intelligent or not, which amongst other non-humans 
(Augureys and Fwoopers, for two) includes "hags glided around the 
place in search of children to eat." Footnote on page xiii includes 
"The centaurs objected to some of the creatures with whom they were 
asked to share "being" status, such as hags and vampires" (someone 
quoted that on-list recently).

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Liz/Carolyn Arabgirly wrote:

<< love potions are illegal >>

Heidi Tandy wrote:

<< It says in GoF, in one of Rita Skeeter's articles, that love 
potions are forbidden at Hogwarts. >>

Just because love potions are forbidden at Hogwarts, like first years 
having their own broomsticks, doesn't mean they're illegal. When FB 
says that frozen Ashwinder eggs are of great value for love potions, 
it says nothing of love potions being illegal. Molly might have made 
her love potion at home during the holidays.

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Laur wrote:

<< wondering if using two near-identical wands, one in each hand, 
would amplify power, or just put out half per wand. >>

Ollivander asked: "Which is your wand hand?" and Stan Shunpike said 
something about just sticking out your wand hand to summon the Knight 
Bus. This might just be a way of saying dominant hand, but it might 
also mean that the wand works only in one hand. If that hand were 
amputated, would the wizard's magic go away with it?

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Harriet modern-language-association-cats wrote:

<< it certainly DOES seem like an Armenian Warlock did cure a 
werewolf or several (did Lockhart make that up....?) ....and 
can that same person go and cure Lupin now? >>

See my posts:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/41479
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/39622
etc

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bbhoy_mn wrote:

<< These low and common people are not wealthy, they merely have a 
lot of money. Money, which by the way, they actually worked for. >>

1) Recent scandals indicate that some of them worked at scamming and 
stealing. They would have done less harm to the public well-being if 
they had just inherited it.

2) I disagree with you about the social position of New Money. I 
don't know about the East or the South, but in the West, New Money is 
only half-a-shelf lower than Old Money, and can join all their clubs 
and socialize and intermarry with them as long as they try to behave 
like them. They're so far above you and me that it doesn't make a 
difference to us whether they are any lower than Old Money.





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