Maybe Hagrid is the LOYAL person(who just has some major [confidence?] problems)

aldrea279 chetah27 at hotmail.com
Mon Jun 3 06:18:08 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 39348

Jenny from Ravenclaw:  

<>Well, I think Hagrid's annoyingly blind loyalty is exactly what 
could cause problems. I see a possible scenario with Hagird coming 
back in OoP after a wonderful summer with the giants, thinking 
differently about the wizard world... I see a possible resentment of 
the way he was treated at Hogwarts, and a possible turn of loyalty 
towards his newfound friends... and mom.<>
 

Hagrid, disloyal to Dumbledore?!  Disloyal to the WW/Hogwarts?  I 
find this to be a massively hard horse pill to swallow...

I don't think Hagrid could ever feel resentment to Hogwarts.  I even 
remember a certain quote from a book, where Harry(musing on Hagrid's 
situation) thought about how horrible it must have been for Hagrid to 
have to sit by as Gamekeeper, ashamed and expelled, while his fellow 
classmates continue on and became full-fledged wizards and witches.  
But now(albeit over 50 years later) Hagrid does seem to love his job, 
Hogwarts, and the students(er, most of them)- no sign of resentment.  
And why would he ever feel resentment to the way he was treated?  If 
Dumbledore hadn't had his say, it looked like Hagrid could have gone 
to Azkaban when he was but a boy.  But Dumbledore stood by him all 
along, and proved in the right- because Hagrid was indeed innocent, 
which Harry proved for him later.  Hagrid strongly, strongly places 
his faith in Dumbledore and everyting the man does-  he never even 
suspects Snape, saying that he's a Hogwarts teacher and Dumbledore 
trusts him, so how can he be bad?


Cindy responded to Jenny with: 


<>I agree that Hagrid's blind loyalty will surely come into play, but 
it is hard to imagine how this might happen. I can see Hagrid 
struggling with loyalty to his giantess mother and Dumbledore, but 
it is hard to imagine where JKR might go with this.<>

I think Hagrid is yet another character that really has alot of 
growing up to do.  Infact, I see Hagrid as being very insecure in his 
abilities.  To quote from PoA- * "C'mon" Hagrid said angrily.  "I'm 
takin' yer all back up ter shcool, an' don' let me catch yeh walkin' 
down ter see me after dark again. I'm not worth that!" * US 
Paperback, Pg. 122  And even in the first book, when he finds out 
about Harry's encounter with Quirrel/Voldemort and visits him in the 
hospital wing, he's broken down bawling and saying that it was all 
his fault.  I know someone here has commented on what a horrible 
teacher Hagrid was; really though, he was off to a great start- but 
Malfoy's ridicule and the slip up in class shattered his fragile 
confidence, and reduced him to Flubberworms.  Really, though, if the 
poor man would just get some confidence in his abilities...  I think 
Hagrid has some major issues.  His mother ran off and left him and 
his dad, could he blame himself for that?(hey, he blames himself for 
everything else) And his father's death, I wonder what's behind that..



Eloise:

<>I have a deep inner conviction that Dumbledore is going to die 
because of Hagrid. I don't think he's going to prove disloyal, but 
there's plenty of evidence that calls into question his judgement and 
I think that one of these errors of judgement, perhaps even leading 
Dumbledore into an attempt to rescue him will prove fatal.<>


*nods*  Hagrid very much wears his emotions on his sleeve.  When he's 
in a good mood he can be boisterous and jolly, but pull the rug from 
under him and he goes utterly to tears and becomes quite depressed.  
Get him drunk, and...well...it cerainly seems to loosen his tongue a 
bit.  But that only seems to prove with matters of...well, not of the 
HIGHEST importance.  When he told Quirrell about Fluffy's weakness in 
the pub, he didn't seem to be thinking about the Stone at all.  He 
only informed him of a rather dangerous creature under his care.  But 
he never mentioned the Stone- he knew how important that was.  But 
still, this flaw looks as though it could come into play...though 
with matters as they stand, perhaps Hagrid will indeed grow up and 
seal his lips more tightly.  

Aldrea






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