Lupin is an honest, nasty, DISLOYAL person (who is ever so evil)
booklovinggirl
katgirl at lava.net
Mon Jun 3 22:57:43 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 39375
Pippin, on Sirius, Remus, and their loyalty to Dumbledore:
> This is a red flag. JKR wouldn't create two characters with the
> same narrative function. Only one of them can be the
> scapegoat--the other is guilty, guilty, guilty. It can't be Sirius.
> Everybody in the wizarding world thinks he dunnit. It's Harry's
> quest to clear his name.
Ah, but Remus *is* a scapegoat to the WW. He's a werewolf, after all,
a Dark Creature, and perhaps in the nastier position. Sirius can get
his name cleared. There is no cure for lycanthropy, and it doesn't
appear to be coming in the near future.
> This explains all the Lupin mysteries...why he didn't tell
> Dumbledore about Sirius or the map,
Remus has admitted to being wrong about this, not wanting to
incriminate the Marauders, because it would lead to the Animagi
adventures, which would add up to "I betrayed you when I was a
student."
Of course, if you are set on believing that he is Ever So Evil, you
could say that he was lying.
> Why he's so calm and
> unhurried in the shack,
Okay, I don't have an answer for this...you'll have to go to the
Witching Hour people to help with that.
> Why he insists that Sirius and he have to
> tell the whole story,
Do you think that Harry, Hermione and Ron would have believed them
otherwise? Harry was ready to *kill* Sirius, Hermione was accusing
Remus of helping Sirius kill Harry, and Ron was telling
Sirius "You'll have to kill all of us." If I were cornered by three
hysterical teenagers, I'd want to make sure they knew exactly what
was going on as well!
> Why he left the map where Snape could find
> it.
If Snape had any bloody sense, he would have noticed the dot
labled "Peter Pettigrew." But you're right, it would've been smarter
to hide the map or, better yet, bring it down to the Shack.
> It explains why Crouch!Moody is so good at teaching DADA.
Wouldn't Crouch!Moody's skill in teaching DADA come from the fact
that he's been involved in the Dark Arts themselves? We don't know
nearly enough about Crouch!Moody before Voldemort-is it possible he
was a prefect? Student teacher?
<snip mentioning the Prank-I'll discuss it later in the post>
> I say Lupin is a servant of Voldemort. Where did he go after
> James and Lily died? To Albania perhaps? Equipped with a
> wand but unable to aid his master because of his condition?
> Lupin could hardly tend to baby Voldie's needs in wolf form, after
> all.
Apologies for being pedantic, but canon seems to suggest that
Voldemort wasn't always in Albania:
"What interests *me* the most," said Dumbledore gently, "is how Lord
Voldemort managed to enchang Ginny when my sources tell me he is
currently in hiding in the forests of Albania."
-CoS, Chapter Eighteen, American hardcover.
It also seems to indicate that it took a long time for Voldemort to
even gather the strength to go into his baby form:
"I remember only forcing myself, sleeplessly, endlessly, second by
second, to exist....I settled in a faraway place, in a forest, and I
waited....Surely, one of my faithful Death Eaters would try and find
me...one of them would come and perform the magic I could not to
restore me to a body..."
-GoF, Chapter Thirty-Three, American hardcover.
Of course, part of the GoF quote interferes with the CoS one.
Voldemort DID say he waited in a faraway forest-possibly in Albania.
> But then Sirius escapes Azkaban. And Voldemort sends
> Lupin to find and murder Sirius who killed his servant Peter.
> Lupin and Voldie don't know that Peter is alive, of course.
Wait, I'm confused here. Voldie has read the article that says Sirius
is at large, right? And this article (Or the one in the American PoA
hardcover, anyway.) is rather vague. It only tells us that Sirius has
escaped, and that both Muggles and Wizards are on the lookout for
him. Why wouldn't Voldemort know that Peter is alive? And if Remus
really was passing information to Voldemort, wouldn't he have brought
up the "He's at Hogwarts." mutterings? They would have figured that
either Peter is alive, in which case Voldemort would want him dead
for his cowardice and incompetence, or that Sirius is after
Dumbledore/Harry/Snape/Someone else altogether and unless the Someone
else is a very loyal servant to Voldemort, I think Voldemort would
have just sat back and watched them die.
This makes me think of another possibility. What if Remus is a double-
agent? Working for Dumbledore as a spy, or even passing falsities and
real spy reports to *both sides*. The second possibility is more
interesting, but the first one seems more likely in light of Lily and
James being dead. I doubt that Snape would be the *only* one spying
for Voldemort-that isn't exactly an airtight plan. What if there are
other, undiscovered, spies in Voldemort's inner circle? It doesn't
seem that far-fetched, if you think about it....
> Now I tried to dismiss this theory. I told myself it wouldn't fly
> without a honking big pink flamingo of a clue. Unfortunately there
> is one.
>
> ****"When they get near me--" Harry stared at Lupin's desk, his
> throat tight. "I can hear Voldemort murdering my mum."
>
> Lupin made a sudden motion with his arm as though to grip
> Harry's shoulder, but thought better of it."*****PoA Ch. 10
>
> Yep, Lupin is extremely reluctant to touch Harry, not surprising
> since the last Voldemort employee who tried it got fried. Better
> wait till Harry is unconscious and try it then. PoA Ch. 12
Why would unconciousness make any difference? I would think that
Harry's ability to fry DE's would be made stronger if he had just
heard his parent's voices, not because of the protection itself, but
really just by the effect this has on Harry. Personally, I don't
think this points to Remus being evil anymore than the gleam at the
end of GoF does at Dumbledore being evil.
<slight snip about what is said in the Shack>
> But Lupin taught Harry to fight the Dementors.
>
> Yeah, just like Moody taught Harry to fight Imperius. But not
> because Dumbledore made him. . Imagine the villain-tells-all
> scene where Lupin explains just how much he enjoyed watching
> Harry live through the agony of his parents' deaths, over and over
> and over again. (shudder)
Ah, yes, but if we're going to go back to the One is Scapegoat, One
is Guilty Guilty Guilty formula at the beginning of this post, Remus
is the Scapegoat. Of course, I did contradict the Scapegoat/Guilty at
the beginning of the post, so I'm not really in any position to point
this out.
<Large Snip about what Crouch!Moody, and supposedly Remus, did to win
Harry's trust.>
> He does have one rather frightening hobby: he makes pets out of
> Dark Creatures and then kills them. We know what happened to
> the Boggart in the wardrobe. But what happened to the
> Grindylow, eh? Why put in the detail of the empty case? (shiver)
Hmmm. This is interesting. Perhaps a bit of torment about being a
Dark Creature, a werewolf? Or maybe he sends him to Hagrid. Or maybe
Pippin's right and he's a sadist.
<Snip about Evil!Remus's plan.>
> Sirius Black never planned to murder Snape. Lupin did. And
> Lupin hates Harry, just the way he's hated James, ever since
> James thwarted his beautiful plan.
>
> Of all the Marauders, Lupin has the best reason to want Snape
> dead, since he has the most to lose if his secret is revealed. He
> doesn't think he'll be blamed...the werewolf did it, not him.
Ah, but if Remus didn't want Snape to know, why did he set up the
Prank in the first place? He might have just wanted to finish Snape
off but had a plan that backfired, but you say that Remus wants to
finish off Snape because he's scared Snape will reveal the secret,
right? But how can he be scared of this if Snape *doesn't know* the
secret?
<Snip-more about Evil!Remus's plan>
> Sirius chases off after Pettigrew and then, mysteriously,
> hundreds of Dementors appear and attack Sirius, Hermione,
> Harry and Ron.
>
> Think about it. There've been people wandering around the
> grounds all night. Snape, Fudge, MacNair, Dumbledore, Hagrid,
> Tt!Harry and Tt!Hermione . The Dementors don't bother any of
> them. Then all of a sudden there are hundreds. Why? Because
> werewolf!Lupin set the Dementors on our heroes. (shiver!) Can
> the Dementors tell when they're dealing with a human mind in a
> canid body? They can't.
Well, then how did he get them to go after Sirius? He can't
communicate when he's transformed.
> But the plan fails. Tt!Harry conjures Prongs (how horrifying for
> Evil!Lupin), then Snape comes around and takes Sirius up to the
> castle. Lupin has no choice but to spend the night in the forest.
> But, as he tells Hagrid, he didn't bite anyone. How Lupin would
> know that, if he was out of his mind that night, we aren't told.
You got me on this one. However, Hagrid doesn't think it's odd that
Remus would know, and even though others might disagree with me, I
think that Hagrid's judgement can be trusted on this.
<Snip about Remus's resignation>
-Katherine
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