Voldemort's support in and pre-GOF (was Spying game)

[bluesqueak]

No: HPFGUIDX 39701

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Pip wrote:
> > What I will say 
> > is that I think Voldemort is lying through his teeth at the end 
> > of GoF.
>
David replied: 
> Hm.  I have always seen the biggest barrier to all these ever-so-
> evil theories the fact that they all left Voldemort to suffer in   
> Albania.  

Arrrghhh! Not your fault David [grin]. I knew I shouldn't have 
mentioned this because it's going to take another long, closely 
argued post to prove it. :-0 

> Ever-so-venal, yes; ever-so-ex-DE (eg Bagman), yes; ever-so-
> supportive in Harry's Hogwarts years: how come they didn't do 
> anything, er, constructive?

They do. You just have to look for it. Honest. But it requires a 
detailed analysis of the Quidditch World Cup, and the final scene in 
GoF, and about 10,000 words and could we agree just to wait until I 
have the time to do this? I promise I will try and prove this theory 
at a later date. [grin]

> Pip writes: 
<snip>
> > Malfoy's action in 
> > giving Ginny the Tom Riddle diary (CoS) is extremely effective if 
> > you consider it as a tactic in a continuing war rather than just 
> > a piece of malicious revenge. It comes incredibly close to 
> > killing Harry, closing Hogwarts 
> > and discrediting Dumbledore and Arthur Weasley - two of 
> > Voldemorts major opponents. 
> 
David replies:
<Snip>
> In what sense do you mean Malfoy is lying: he proclaims his  
> loyalty - do you mean that he proclaims an ineffective loyalty when 
> in fact he is effective in his loyalty?
> 
> For whose benefit is Voldemort's performance?  Unless he intends 
> Harry to escape, what is the point of the charade?

Voldemort does hope that Harry will not escape, but he and Malfoy are 
providing misinformation on the assumption that he might. Again, this 
is going to take a long post to prove. But by the end of GoF Harry 
has survived At-the-height-of his-power Voldemort, 
Quirrell/Voldemort, Tom Riddle/Voldemort, as well as assorted 
Dementors, werewolves, giant spiders, a dragon... how stupid and 
overconfident would you have to be to assume that *this* time, you 
are going to get it right and kill the brat! ;-)

Pip writes: 
> > Equally, the Death Eater march in GoF does a very good job of 
> > distracting everyone while Barty Jr's making his first escape 
> > attempt. The problem turns out to be that no one has bothered 
> telling Barty it's part of the plan.

David replies:
> But Barty isn't escaping because of Voldemort, is he?  It's 
> independent action.  Or are you saying that Voldemort's increasing 
> strength gave Barty more strength, unknown to Barty?  Even so, 
> Barty's decision was independent, surely?  There is no point to his 
> escape attempt from Voldemort's POV.

It isn't independent, he does have help (Winky) and it is planned by 
Voldemort. And it's going to take a lot of proving.

Pip (who apologises for introducing this part of her theory before 
she has written the post to try and prove it, and hopes that everyone 
will just hold off on this until she has the time to write another 
very long post)