Voldemort's Resurrection WAS The Spying Game and the Shrieking Shack

[marinafrants]

No: HPFGUIDX 39749

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
> *Voldemort*

> I feel like if gone through this twice already, but I'm not the one
to 
> back away from something, so here I go (yet) again:

Hey, if we weren't all willing to repeat ourselves ten times on every
point, we'd have to come up with new things to talk about practically
every day, and that would way too much work.  There's a lot of time to
kill until OoP.

> 
> I believe that there are many options available to recuperate 
> Voldemort's body. They come in a variable degree of dificulty, but 
> several do exist. Most of them will give back Voldemort enough power
to 
> start winning again, and some will not, being flawed in one way or 
> another. Unicorn blood, for example, is flawed, since he has to
drink 
> it continually. The PS was NOT flawed, and that was why the
Unicorn's 
> blood was only interim preparation.
> 
> Let's suppose *for the sake of an example* that other perfectly
valid 
> forms include an enchanted dishwasher and the egg of some odd bird 
> (pick one at random form FB, if you want).

> A plan was formed: to gently guide Voldemort into using that potion, 
> and started to act on it. They took Flamel's stone and put it into a 
> security vault. They passed laws against enchanted dishwashers. They 
> look up all the strange birds and control them through different 
> organizations (if the bird was, for example, a dragon, we know they
are 
> tightly controled). And they continue to restrict his options so
that 
> the *easiest* solution to Voldemort's problems is the flawed potion. 
> 

That would be fine if we actually saw this being done, or heard about
it being done, or at least observed some mysterious unexplained events
which, when viewed with perfect hindsight at the end of GoF, could be
recognized as part of Dumbledore's energetic anti-dishwasher
campaign.  But I don't remember any such things in any of the books. 
We have point A: destruction of the Stone, and point Q: Voldemort
resurrects himself with a potion three books later. (I'm not calling
it point Z, 'cause that would be the end of book 7.)  We don't know
how Voldemort got from A to Q, and I think that assuming Dumbledore
must've led him there is an awfully shaky proposition.

> *Snape*
> -------
> 
> Anyway, there is no 
> need, Snape could've told Voldemort about the potion much earlier
than 
> that: during his reign of Terror, when he was still a loyal DE. I
don't 
> think Voldemort listened to closely, though, since it's a potion
that, 
> at the time, didn't interest him, since it does not grant
inmortality, 
> just mortality (which he already had).

You're right, Snape could've told him back then.  I withdraw that
particular objection.


> *Harry*
> -------
> 
> > Oh, so all that "Boy Who Lived" crap we've been getting for four
> > books is just a smokescreen?  Harry is really no more important to
> > the great scheme of things than Dennis Creevey?  In that case,
what
> > was the deal with the ending of PS/SS?  Harry (and we) have been
led
> > to believe that Dumbledore allowed events to happen as they did in
> > order to prepare Harry to fight against Voldemort.  But under your
> > version, the whole thing becomes just a pointless exercise in
sadism
> > on Dumbledore's part, since there's no need for Harry to fight
> > Voldemort at all -- Dumbledore already has a method of defeating
> > Voldemort, a method to which Harry is utterly irrelevant.  In
fact,
> > there's no need to bother with Harry at all -- no need to guide
his
> > choices, to protect him, to train him, to spend any time on him at
> > all.  Harry's just another spare, no different from Cedric, and no
> > one wasted any time teaching Cedric how to stand up to Voldemort,
did
> > they?
> 
> If you've got an A plan, and a B plan, and a C plan, and... , you
try 
> to have the A plan work, since normally the rest of the plans are 
> nowhere as easy or sure. Harry is part of D's A plan, so to speak,
but 
> I hope that Dumbledore is not stupid enough to lay all the future of 
> countless of beings on the hands of an eleven year old. 

Having a Plan A and a Plan B is certainly good, but isn't it kind of
silly to have a Plan B that recklessly endangers the most vital
element of Plan A, and then to try and execute Plan B while Plan A is
still in the early preparation stages?  To use your housefly example,
if my Plan A is to shoo the fly out the window, and my Plan B is to
shut the windows and fumigate the house, I'm not going to shut the
windows and then try to shoo the fly out.  Yet that's exactly what
Dumbledore would be doing if he deliberately engineered Wormtail's
escape at the end of PoA in order to facilitate Voldemort's
resurrection.  At the time of PoA, Plan A is going just fine.  Harry
is alive and well; he has defeated Quirrel and Tom Riddle; he's
learning and growing and showing every sign of becoming the hero
Dumbledore needs.  So why would Dumbledore suddenly decide to kick off
Plan B *now*?  Why not wait and see how Harry does instead of jumping
the gun and facilitating Voldemort's return at a time when Harry's
still young and not fully trained?  Dumbledore could spend the extra
time chasing down any stray dishwashers he may have missed.

Marina
rusalka at ix.netcom.com